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This forum for the H2/H2R was started(I assume)for guys that are enthusiastic about their new bike...and a place to share GOOD FEELINGS and GOOD information so we could all be having an upbeat place to do that.

That's why I joined.There's nothing wrong in saying 'these are the FACTS'...and offering upbeat info that's timely pertaining to getting more from this bike...and there's some good posts from I would say 'reliable' guys here...reliable because they understand what it takes to accomplish certain things to get certain results.These are positive things.

I don't understand anyone who is bummed about something being on a forum where guys are feeling good about being here and what it's really about.It's about this BIKE.That's what it is.It's NOT about supposed marketing stories presented as 'facts'.If I thought my zx14R was somehow tainted by whatever...I certainly wouldn't be showing up on a 14 forum and trying to 'be a part of' by condemning the 14 or the Company.I just wouldn't.I'd suck it up...and do what made me feel okay.

It's like when the 14 first arrived...the frame cracking issue.THAT was fact.Guys weren't dissing Kawasaki over it.Saying Kawasaki lied about the quality of it.Or anything else.It was corrected by Kawasaki...and that was the end.

We all got this machine because of what it is....a ride.With very good potential...probably easily had.I can't for the life of me understand why this slamming of Kawasaki even got a toehold.It's not part of why we're here...IMO.Is it?

Fretka left...and a few others...why?Because they couldn't keep bashing this bike.It wasn't THEIR forum.We own this bike...it's OUR forum.If we don't feel good about it...then we ought to resolve it...and decide why we're here.

If I felt bad about anything...I'd decide what to do.Not hammer it home everytime I commented.Am I just way off base here?Maybe I'm the intolerant one.I want to feel good about this...my bike.
 

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Well, if you allow me, I will tell you my point of view.

I cannot wait to receive my H2, I have not been this excited about a new vehicle in a long time.

The marketing campaign, the really evocative videos, the secrets surrounding this machine give it a mystique in my eyes that is very difficult to obtain, they truly have done a perfect job at preparing the market for this product, at least they sold it to me this way.
I was "primed" even before ever seeing a picture, just by knowing it had a supercharged engine, then the video with the sound, then the pictures, I was and still am sold.

After 15 years since my last Kawasaki, I am ready to pay a relatively high price for a brand new motorcycle, I trust they will give me an exciting machine in return.

This doesn't mean it is perfect though, neither the product, nor the company. Their stance about this particular machine made me believe it to be a truly astonishing product, literally beyond belief, according to their own catchphrase.

The SINGLE negative post I wrote is not a rant, I hope that the language I used to write it makes it relatively clear, it is rather my reaction to one new piece of information, which is not necessarily good or bad, it is just definitely not "beyond belief", while I am still under the impression the product I am buying is supposed to be.

I have been absorbed by the campaign so much that my expectations for the final product are at the highest limits of what is commercially reasonable to produce for that sum.

Because of this state of mind, when I see those expectations met or closely approached I literally dance with joy, when instead those (extremely high) expectations are seemingly not met, then I am more saddened (at Kawasaki) than with a regular product, I hope you understand.

This seems to me a small gathering of passionate people, more passion means higher expectations, and different motivations for those expectations. Some of those will be met, some will not, passion will amplify both.

I did not count the posts, but I believe there are far more positive than negative posts in this forum, my own positive/negative ratio is certainly larger than 1.

Anything capable of causing big emotional swings like these is obviously significant... long live the H2!

Frio
 

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Painting a happy face on a bad situation doesn't resolve anything, its just putting make up over a black eye. I came here just as stoked, as positive and with as much good humor as anyone. Kawasaki undid that. You may not like my attitude but I don't like yours either. I'm impossibly frustrated at your apathy and the willingness to just take it up the a** and smile.

I don't want things to be like this any more that you do but every week Kawasaki manages to compound the problem then say nothing in their defense. If somebody doesn't speak up they'll (correctly) assume that no one cares. Perhaps they're right and I'm in the minority of people who don't take kindly to being bullsh*tted. If I said it once and dropped it nothing would happen. I had hoped a few more dissenting voices would have joined in and gotten Kawasaki to step up to the plate but alas all they saw was a bunch of sheep defending the farmer.

That's fine. I'll leave. Put lipstick on the pig and fight your own battles. But if anything does get resolved between now and release day - and I doubt it will - it certainly won't be because of anything you contributed. All you did was lay down and let the good times roll over you.
 

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H2R...you see it one way...I see it another...IF you could show me PROOF that there's gonna be another run...fine...but you haven't.IF you could show me proof that this bike is not capable of being upped in HP,all that..fine.But you haven't.I asked...you blew right past that.WHY.If you're so dead set these are facts...then show the rest of us...I for one would LOVE to see the truth here.

We see things different.

WE have a bike here that's been programmed to meet a specific parameter...emissions,noise...all that.ALL bikes are this way from the factory.Saying they lied about these things...it's your perspective...they aren't facts.They said the stock H2 produced 197 HP.It does.They say the topspeed for the H2 as is...is 206.It is.They said(and here's a BIG clue about what it CAN do)handle stresses 1.5 to 2.0 times it's rated stats RIGHT NOW.If that isn't saying...'go for it guys'...IDK what it is.

I just think you're reaching.And I don't know why.You went from the 'false marketing' thing to 'false performance claims'...I just don't really know what you want...except for a bunch of us to start 'putting pressure' on Kawasaki to make this bike 'different'.****...you haven't even ridden it yet...but you've already determined it's a bust.I don't see how you can do this?You don't know it's handling...it's acceleration..it's abilities.How it feels riding.Yet you've taken some downward path in deciding what?That you feel stupid for jumping on the bandwagon?When it hasn't even been proven out here?

I know you don't have to answer anything I've asked...but I wish you would.Show some actual Kawasaki quotes about it's long term production run coming up...how it's gonna be available to every Joe that wants one.How they've deceived you by saying EXACTLY what they meant.I'm not even insinuating you should leave...I was talking in a general way....what I would do.


"But if anything does get resolved between now and release day - and I doubt it will - it certainly won't be because of anything you contributed"...I don't HAVE anything about this bike or Kawasaki that I feel NEEDS to be 'resolved'...you do. I trust what they said about all of it...you don't.That's NOT rolling over.To you...maybe.Your 'fight' is based on what?No wonder they haven't responded...they're simply reading your posts and thinking...'here we go again'.The orders are done.The bikes are que'd up.This is it.You bought it believing...now you don't.Okay...that's fine.You're concerned about 'bike night' and what others think?What they think is..."**** dude...you have the baddest bike ever...can I ride it just once?"
 

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SilverbirdH2 - I entirely agree with the stance you're taking. However, your first post on this thread did make me think you're looking for an extremely high and unrealistic percentage of positive posts. We need a balance.

H2R - I've said it before, I think you're taking your stance way too far. And perhaps more importantly you string your sentences together with personal insults such as "you're like battered wifes" "you're taking it up the arse" "bunch of sheep" which doesn't necessarily make me want to listen to you. Which is a shame because you seem very knowledgeable about general matters.

Frio - I've read most of the posts on this forum and I cannot recall a specific 'negative' one from yourself so I imagine you're right in saying that you haven't been 'ranting'. The chances are (and I'm not going to trawl through posts and find it) the 'negative' one you submitted was part of a healthy debate.

So the overriding thing I would say is yes this should be a forum for people excited and generally positive about the H2.

This should be a forum to share any information that we can find about the H2 but it has to be factual. It's no good sharing a strong personal view more than once and demanding others align. There's a saying "Don't raise your voice, improve your argument"

I do think that our going in stance should be to give Kawasaki the benefit of doubt until it is proved otherwise. And when I say proved otherwise I mean (for the purpose of this forum) the majority of us are on the same page.

To finish, I'll give a personal view on where I'm at. I thought long and hard about putting a deposit down on the bike, the idea of committing to a bike that I haven't even been able to sit on never mind ride is alien to me. Nevertheless, I took the plunge and I will decide if it was worth it when I've ridden it and not before.
Before I'm sat on it, it would be good for me if I was able to hear views from those who know what the bike is about BECAUSE they've ridden it and not because they think they know what the bike is, based on something that has been written. I bought an 08 Fireblade, the bike that was proclaimed to be right there at the top by all the bike magazines over here in the UK, I didn't like it.
Now the only person I know who has ridden one (Ricky) seems to love it so that must be a positive - right ?
 

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When I was 16 years old I had a ratty ss50, with a c70 (cub ) 3 speed step thru engine I bolted in it.

A lorry fitter mate of a mate (who was way to cool to even waste his time talking to him) had a GPZ1100 Fi Unitrack....Fastest 1/4 mile bike of its day.

Then I saw a brand new GPZ9ooR....

My bike history is listed on this forum.

My first zzr1100 that I bought 16 yrs latter gave me this feeling when i saw it. Except I was buying it and not a spotty teenager.

Fast forward another 15 years. I saw the H2 ...I'm feeling 16 Again. Which I think is a good thing as my grandson is 12 !

I instantly know that this is the deal.....
 

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Too much whining, and belly aching on this site lately......:crying:


Some of you are like old wash women.


Time to stop all the rumors, and hearsay, and enjoy your purchase.
They call it cabin fever... grab your favourite bottle, pop up again in April... >:D
 
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All this BS has really made me wonder why I didn't buy the Ducati.....

Or at least why the **** I come here. There must be a forum where folks are happy to have an H2. A place where people have real information and not just endless whining based on heresey. Then I realize it's almost completely one single contributer - hijacking almost every thread. So instead of forming an opinion on the forum, I'll form an opinion on the poster.

Calling people names says more about the person saying it than it does about the people the names are intended to hurt.

FWIW, I care what he thinks, about as much as he cares what I think. I'm perfectly fine with that.

Greg
 
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Really? The forum software blocks the word h e 1 l ?

Jeeez.

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I believe there are only a couple of people with a serious negativity problem.

I understand why the bike is built the way it is; it's no surprise.

By the way, the real top speed is not going to be the gearing-limited 206 mph ... it's going to be no more than 299 km/h (186 mph), at least on UN-ECE compliant models and quite likely on the North American models as well. Again, this is a quasi-regulatory requirement that Kawasaki has to deal with. Those expecting otherwise are in for another disappointment but it's something that I've been expecting (and saying) all along.

Reflash the ECU, once the right people get their hands on it and figure it out ... and everything changes.
 

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Ok FUCKERS I am wiling to be with out bike for a month so i can have GULL refresh that ECU So other riders will have it EASY no like me to have a bike at the shop for at least 1 month all i can say is THE BIKE WILL BE A F>>KING BEAST after the reflash as for numbers on a stock H2 it is DETUNED for **** SAKE. I Join this page so we can all share our info so for now please BE NICE TO Your felow FORUM MEBERS.
 

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Nothing above can't be cured by some nice riding weather and a new supercharged bike. Other than maybe Ricky and a couple others, I doubt anyone will even notice their bikes being restricted to "only" 186 mph!
 
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