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Where are uk guys getting their Ecu flashed? I know Brock does it and seems to do it very well but I'm not comfortable sending my Ecu to the states plus a weak £ won't help at the moment.

My bike has only done 160 miles so far but last night I could resist no more and pinned it in 2,3 and 4!!! Wow, this thing is fast but I hate the idea of it being restricted. Hope I haven't broken anything by doing that? To be honest, I took it out for a 5 mile ride when I first got it, nice and gentle, then a 30 mile ride, a bit less gentle then since that it has seen 8k several time and 10k on the odd occasion but last night it got it:)
 

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Where are uk guys getting their Ecu flashed? I know Brock does it and seems to do it very well but I'm not comfortable sending my Ecu to the states plus a weak £ won't help at the moment.

My bike has only done 160 miles so far but last night I could resist no more and pinned it in 2,3 and 4!!! Wow, this thing is fast but I hate the idea of it being restricted. Hope I haven't broken anything by doing that? To be honest, I took it out for a 5 mile ride when I first got it, nice and gentle, then a 30 mile ride, a bit less gentle then since that it has seen 8k several time and 10k on the odd occasion but last night it got it:)
My H2 has the Brocks flash, DNA air filter, and PCV with Brocks mapping (set up for std headers with Akrapovic slipon). Put simply, it works !



Sending an ECU away is a worry - it's an expensive item if it goes missing but if you use a courier it can be insured. Finish off running the bike in over the summer and do the upgrade over the winter so you don't miss any riding time !
 

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I second that. My H2's ECU went off to Brock, in fact this is the second one he's done for me as he also flashed my ZZR1400.

No worries about shipping, I used UPS.

I would doubt you've done any damage to your bike's engine. Modern production methods use such fine tolerances that it's virtually run in after a few heat-cycles. You should do it progressively anyway.
 

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Where are uk guys getting their Ecu flashed? I know Brock does it and seems to do it very well but I'm not comfortable sending my Ecu to the states plus a weak £ won't help at the moment.

My bike has only done 160 miles so far but last night I could resist no more and pinned it in 2,3 and 4!!! Wow, this thing is fast but I hate the idea of it being restricted. Hope I haven't broken anything by doing that? To be honest, I took it out for a 5 mile ride when I first got it, nice and gentle, then a 30 mile ride, a bit less gentle then since that it has seen 8k several time and 10k on the odd occasion but last night it got it:)

Vmax+h2,


To actually answer your question, If you don't feel comfortable shipping your ECU to the US (I wouldn't want to ship mine overseas either), Velox Racing ( VeloxRacing.co.uk The home of Flash-Tune and Motorcycle Performance and Styling Parts in the UK and Europe ) out in the UK is a distributor for the FlashTune ECU flashing kit ( https://ftecu.com/ ) and they also offer a flashing service if you don't feel like flashing it yourself. Mike is great to work with and even answers emails on weekends in some cases.


I have the FlashTune kit in my bike and it gets the job done. I am pleased with it and FlashTune is very reputable.
 

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Thanks turbo329. Do you know if I would still need a Pcv? Also, are their any direct comparisons between the flash tune and the guhl/brocks?
 

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Just called these guys, seem very helpful and good prices. Approx 30 hp gain off the de restriction then you set the fuelling on a dyno. Sound about right?
 

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Thanks turbo329. Do you know if I would still need a Pcv? Also, are their any direct comparisons between the flash tune and the guhl/brocks?


I would recommend the PCV. As far as direct comparisons, I've been in IT for 20 years and I assure you it's all the same when it comes to de-restrictions. The difference between the two primarily is that Guhl doesn't play with the fueling in his Flash because Brock provides the PCV+map as part of the package deal. I don't know if he plays with ignition timing at all. On the FlashTune kit, they made small timing changes at very small throttle openings to make it a tad bit more friendly but nothing major.


The FlashTune kit does give you fueling very similar to the H2R. I've found the fueling to be a tad rich up top (make sure you get the DNA Air Filter) so I had mine custom tuned on the dyno. If you go with the FlashTune setup shoot me your email address and I'll send you my custom map file to upload into your PCV. It should get you in the ballpark if you find the bike rich up top.


Here is a video I posted when I flashed my ECU:
 

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Guys

We have started working with a tuning company here in the UK in collaboration to supply and fit our H2R type exhaust systems as well as remap the ecu due to the exhaust swap out and the first bike is finished and developing a very healthy 252hp. I am with the guys on Thursday with my 285hp H2 to see what we can learn/play with and will soon be offering stage 1 (over 250hp) and stage 2 tunes (over 275hp). The work will almost be a ride in ride out (a day) and will transform your H2

Please email me [email protected] for more information
 

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.........The difference between the two primarily is that Guhl doesn't play with the fueling in his Flash because Brock provides the PCV+map as part of the package deal. I don't know if he plays with ignition timing at all. On the FlashTune kit, they made small timing changes at very small throttle openings to make it a tad bit more friendly but nothing major.
This is what the Brock Flash 2 gives you

Ninja H2 re-flash disables the following:
Decel fuel cutoff
Noise control
Exhaust servo
PAIR valve
O2 sensor
EVAP

Increased high RPM limit by 1000 RPM (same as H2R)
Aggressively modified ignition timing.
Elimination of high speed limiter (Speedo will read a max of
189 MPH/304 KPH, regardless of actual top speed)
Derestricted in all gears
Throttle-by-wire derestricted
Fan temperature lowered

The "throttle by wire derestricted" does refer to the fuel map which reduces the 100% fly-by-wire throttle opening above 10,000 rpm right up to the rev' limit on the stock bike. So while Don Ghul doesn't play with the fuelling he does allow the throttle bodies to follow what the twist-grip dictates.
 

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This is what the Brock Flash 2 gives you

Ninja H2 re-flash disables the following:
Decel fuel cutoff
Noise control
Exhaust servo
PAIR valve
O2 sensor
EVAP

Increased high RPM limit by 1000 RPM (same as H2R)
Aggressively modified ignition timing.
Elimination of high speed limiter (Speedo will read a max of
189 MPH/304 KPH, regardless of actual top speed)
Derestricted in all gears
Throttle-by-wire derestricted
Fan temperature lowered

The "throttle by wire derestricted" does refer to the fuel map which reduces the 100% fly-by-wire throttle opening above 10,000 rpm right up to the rev' limit on the stock bike. So while Don Ghul doesn't play with the fuelling he does allow the throttle bodies to follow what the twist-grip dictates.

Awesome. Thanks for the clarification/confirmation. The FTECU kit does the same thing with the difference only being the fueling. As I mentioned, the default FTECU flash file makes a slight ignition timing change down low and removes the timing retard over 10,000rpm until redline.

I like the idea of being able to buy the kit myself and fine tune the adjustments as I see fit. For me, that was the determining factor when I spent the money. I honestly don't think you can go wrong either way though. For guys that just want to 'set it and forget it' the Guhl/Brock's package is of noteworthy consideration.

It seems that with either flash, you would benefit from the PCV. Although, the FTECU flash will get you in the ballpark with fueling until you fine tune the top end because it tends to run rich. Running stock fueling with the Guhl flash+exhaust+filter, without Brock's PCV tune might not be optimal and you may risk running lean. From what I've gathered, and I could be wrong, (maybe you or someone can chime in) the Guhl flash requires Brock's mapping whereas the FTECU can be run safely without a PCV map since it's on the rich side. However, FTECU without PCV, you are leaving about 10hp on the table which I know for certain from my dyno runs.
 

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Great info guys, Aston jenks, what is included in your 252hp and 275 plus packages? Where in the uk are you based? Do you have a website? Thanks
 

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Interesting thread, as i do intend to have my 2015 H2 tuned during the winter.

I'm having it dyno'd this Saturday to get a standard baseline, so what can i expect to see, circa 180bhp at the wheel??
(actually the bike on the dyno primarily for sound recording for a new video game which will be on sale soon).
 

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The FlashTune kit does give you fueling very similar to the H2R. I've found the fueling to be a tad rich up top (make sure you get the DNA Air Filter) so I had mine custom tuned on the dyno.
Question : I'm running Stage II, Brocks full exhaust, PCV. I've used both the oem air filter and DNA, is it possible that the bike can run more rich w/ the oem filter vs. the DNA?
 

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I would say closer to 200. Mcn dynoed one at 204 if I remember correctly?
You're right there.

On Somerton MC Dyno it hit 192bhp at the wheel. by comparison a S1000RR with full Akra and PCV did 173bhp. so it looks like the Dyno is reading on the low side.
 

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Cool, can't wait to do exhaust and flash on this bike. Weeeeeeeee:)

Anyone tried out launch control? I'm hearing we have no wheelie control so is that something to be careful of when using launch?
 

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Cool, can't wait to do exhaust and flash on this bike. Weeeeeeeee:)

Anyone tried out launch control? I'm hearing we have no wheelie control so is that something to be careful of when using launch?
No, never tried launch control. Can't see the point to be honest and I'd rather be in control myself and not rev-limited in the lower gears.

In LSR you are always trying to get the throttle to 100%, or open as far as you can, while keeping the front wheel down. In the right conditions you will be much faster with no Launch Control and TC off and that's just as it should be. Otherwise, with a computer doing the riding for us, we would all be recording the same speeds. Where's the fun in that? I want it to be that the best rider won.
 
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