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Oh sure its nice to have a handful of $25K transactions in the bank, but how many Ninjettes do you think will move as a consequence? ;)>:D
 

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You know, I kind of like that. I just may have some custom winglets added to my Shark Skinz for the 636.
 
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Oh sure its nice to have a handful of $25K transactions in the bank, but how many Ninjettes do you think will move as a consequence? ;)>:D
Bazza, did you put those on your bike! That's hilarious! To answer your question though... This was kawasaki' plan all along.... The fact that Kawasaki doesn't run motogp... And they are rare on the street racing circuits... They wanted to boost sales by building the most bad ass bike on the planet... So their ninjette sales should sky rocket once everyone starts seeing this bike out and around!
 
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Honestly it doesn't matter to me how many they sell. **** I hope they sell 200 and that's it. It will make mine worth more sooner....lol this is what they had in mind all along (Limited)
If it comes back in 2016 I'm fine with that to who cares. You wanna play you gotta pay 25k is the right number for this kind of technology.....
 
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I never read anywhere it was a one year deal.It was always stated 'first come,first served'...'limited production'.I think I read all of Rickey's interviews as well...never read him say '1 year production'.

IF it takes a year to fill all the orders..then 'technically' that would be a 1 yr run...but that's not the same as officially saying '1 year run'..cause nobody KNOWS how many were sold.
 

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I never read anywhere it was a one year deal.It was always stated 'first come,first served'...'limited production'.I think I read all of Rickey's interviews as well...never read him say '1 year production'.

IF it takes a year to fill all the orders..then 'technically' that would be a 1 yr run...but that's not the same as officially saying '1 year run'..cause nobody KNOWS how many were sold.


I agree with H2R simply because it is implied that there will only be as many made to fill the orders within the time window they provided. Which screams exclusivity, which is one of the reasons I purchased.


However, I somewhat agree with Somefun, provided that the bike sales for the same price and it is sold within a limited time period.
 

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I don't think that lawsuits would go anywhere if they came out with another model year of the bike. Its their bike and they can sell it if they would like to. The biggest repercussion would be customers being angry, but Kawasaki may decide its better to have more customers and piss off a few than to not have another model year.
 

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H2r- you need to remember that words are just a that.. Words. If you can find literature stating that it's a 1 year run, which I'm guessing would be hard and border on the impossible. If your thinking that it was a 1 year run was initiated by a person than I think they just interpreted the info wrong. I think you heard someone's way of explaining limited production and first come first serve special order and the fact the the h2r WAS billed as a 1 year run only. Just my .02
 

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In the immortal words of Joseph Heller's Catch-22...

"They lied to you again."
"They had no right to lie to me!" Colonel Scheisskopf protested, his eyes wetting with indignation.

"Of course they had a right," General Peckem snapped with cold
and calculated severity, resolving right then and there to test the mettle
of his new colonel under fire.

"Don't be such an ass, Scheisskopf. People have a right to do anything that's not forbidden by law, and there's no law against lying to you. Now, don't ever waste my time with such sentimental platitudes again. Do you hear?"

"Yes, sir," murmured Colonel Scheisskopf.
 

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"and the fact the the h2r WAS billed as a 1 year run only"....guys...it never was offered as a 1 yr run bike.It was offered as limited production.Say they received the orders now...and are fullfilling those...okay...say they have 2000 bikes to build(probably more than that actually).At say...5 a day...how long will that take barring no build issues at the factory?Someone's assuming the numbers are 'low' for the orders.'Whomever' may be really surprised at the number of people WORLDWIDE that want and ordered this bike.Heck...we don't even have ANY idea how many went(or were ordered)just here...in the US.2000 worldwide wouldn't be outlandish.....it's most likely higher than that.2000 at 5 a day would be...OVER A YEAR.I wouldn't get too stuck on the idea of a '2016' "new and improved production version"....They're moving on as we speak...with something even MORE extreme...you watch.And it won't be an H2/H2R.
 

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In the US, anyone can sue anyone at anytime. There does not have to be any merit to a suit. To get an award however, you have to prove damages and that may get tricky. Even if they lied and make 200 next year what are your damages? Very hard to prove. If you think the bike is worth $100,000 and Kawasaki sold it to you for $25,000 then you have a tough argument. I'm not sure, but a lot of these sales contracts require going to arbitration to settle disputes, so your case will be even tougher when you go to arbitration with someone that Kawasaki hired to settle the dispute. As I said in a different topic post, the more bikes they make, the more parts that will be available down the road. If is only 200 bikes worldwide, don't even think about getting any body parts after next December. Besides, who buys a Kawasaki planning to make money off of it? Other than a few Ducatis, you generally have to wait till they reach antique status to even break even. The Harley bubble is over and I doubt any others are coming up soon. Last, look at what Ducati did, last year the Superleggaro was $65,000+ and this year you can buy a 1299S that is equally fast for half the price, now that would piss me off.
 
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IMO...there WILL be a zx14 SC bike....within a year or so....a production model.Maybe two years...I seriously think the desire for a boosted 14 is there...and we know the 14 already sells big time.This H2 is just the beginning.Even Ricky said that.He wasn't talking about another iteration of the H2.The rest of the big four are gonna wind up OUT if they don't come up with something.A boosted factory Busa?I think so.Why dos anyone think Kawasaki built THIS bike at this time?SALES.Show the others...we're just gettin warmed up...that's what I think.
 

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"did not guarantee anyone a bike"...what are you referring to?



"If they sold 2000 H2's it's neither extremely limited nor exclusive - it's 1/3 of their sportbike sales for the year"...WORLDWIDE.....you say 1/3rd...you're saying they sell only 6000 sportbikes a year?Worldwide?Hmmm...interesting.2000 was only a guessed at figure...it could be more...OR...could be less...possibly much less...IDK.Or much more.There won't be another H2 production model built for Joe A in 2016.They never said there would be.Someone read into something what they wanted to hear.THIS run is it.Those that bought will get.Those that didn't...they won't.

As far as being a guinea pig...I predict right here...THIS bike is gonna be totally reliable.I'd honestly be very surprised if stuff started going wrong with it.I'm gonna ride the paint off mine.If anything starts going koo koo...or anything else...you can bet I'll be posting it.I had 3 zx14's...honest to God truth...NEVER had ANY issues with any of em.Not ONE.My first one saw 10K+ miles every year for 5 years...20K on my next to last one till I wrecked(one and a half riding seasons),and now 20K on my present one....not a blip of anything.Now tell me why I shouldn't feel confident about THIS bike.Somehow some guys think that Kawasaki is just gambling on some 'new' creation,and keeping their fingers crossed.They didn't design this bird a year ago and then suddenly put it together.This thing's been in the build stages for years....from patents for sc's...to all the innovations this bike now has...all severely tested and proven.

Somehow some assume that Kawasaki's just coming up with ideas and a year later...shazaam...here ya go.This bike wasn't designed by one set of engineers.And all of em are absolutely brilliant in their fields.Years have been put in to creating the H2/H2R.It isn't just a SC bike.



"I don't get the self-destructive apathy"...it's NOT apathy...it's simply that some got this bike for what it is...a high tech fully new design from Kawasaki...and something to fully enhance my riding experiences.25K for this machine(not to mention it's potential)is totally in line.For something like this.It's going to be an amazing year with this bike...I feel it.
 

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If they sold 2000 H2's it's neither extremely limited nor exclusive - it's 1/3 of their sportbike sales for the year. They also did not guarantee anyone a bike meaning at a certain number production is stopped and not everyone gets one.

My problem isn't with it's value - I don't give a rats a s s about resale - it was the coercion. I don't want another first year bike. When the 12R came out it was a mess - the clutch basket needed drilled because they didn't oil properly, the clutch springs were too weak causing slippage, the factory recommended oil level was too high causing the crank to slap in it and kill horsepower, the coolant reservoir was too small, some of the fuel tanks were prone to cracking and leaking and the f'ing valve stems would pull into the wheel at high speed and cause air loss. All of these things were addressed in 01, but for a good six months (8,000 miles) I was doing R&D for kawasaki and dancing with the reaper.

The first year TL1000 was the same way. It killed 8 guys via tank slapper before Suzuki had to make a damper standard. Same with the 04 10R. That thing was a flighty fistfight that was also a tank slap factory. They don't make a 10R without a damper now for a reason.

I love my 12R and I still have it, the 04 10R was God, but never again. I've done my time as a guinea pig and it's just too goddamned dangerous to volunteer for unnecessarily.

I'd wait for 16 if that were an option available to me. Per Kawasaki, it is not.
H2 I've mentioned it in another thread, I'm firmly of the opinion that if you feel coerced in the process its more than likely it came from the dealer and not Kawasaki proper...
 

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"I don't want another first year bike"...well...this is what it is...a first year bike...minus the 'next year production run'.EVERYONE who bought this machine knows...it's what it is.Technically,if something goes south...they'll fix it.We all know something COULD go wrong...whether minor or major.But we believe in Kawasaki enough to make the leap.It really isn't any different than any other bike in terms of a 'first year run'.It may or may not have issues.I don't think it will actually.All the internals and all the electronics have been fully tested....it's an 'expensive' bike...but not so far above anything else really...the Ducs,Yammies,Hondas.BMW's.When it hits the owners and the aftermarket ramps up with it...that 25K is gonna seem real okay.

You figure...that Ducati...it's what?20+ something.Try adding a factory SC on it...now what's it cost.They don't HAVE a factory SC for it...nor do any of the others.Going aftermarket would require a heck of a lot more money...without the confidence of having ANYONE fix it or work out the bugs beforehand.Kawasaki already has done this.Another reason I bought this bike.Probably one of the MAIN reasons I jumped on.

Some people think those high end bikes are virtually equal to this bike...the performance of THIS bike is gonna blow a lot of people away once they feel how it rides and runs.Can it be ridden on a track?Yes and no.Depending.Trackers will find a way...can it be exploited on the street?Heck yeah...where it'll see it's most duty.

I think I could say with some assurance that most guys that bought this bike did it because of their trust in Kawasaki...and the awesomeness of this bike as a street performer.The ride.The fun.When it hits the owners..the REAL facts will come in.I can't wait to hear about other guys' reviews with their new Killer Kwaks;)
 

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"I don't want another first year bike"...well...this is what it is...a first year bike...minus the 'next year production run'.EVERYONE who bought this machine knows...it's what it is.Technically,if something goes south...they'll fix it.We all know something COULD go wrong...whether minor or major.But we believe in Kawasaki enough to make the leap.It really isn't any different than any other bike in terms of a 'first year run'.It may or may not have issues.I don't think it will actually.All the internals and all the electronics have been fully tested....it's an 'expensive' bike...but not so far above anything else really...the Ducs,Yammies,Hondas.BMW's.When it hits the owners and the aftermarket ramps up with it...that 25K is gonna seem real okay.

You figure...that Ducati...it's what?20+ something.Try adding a factory SC on it...now what's it cost.They don't HAVE a factory SC for it...nor do any of the others.Going aftermarket would require a heck of a lot more money...without the confidence of having ANYONE fix it or work out the bugs beforehand.Kawasaki already has done this.Another reason I bought this bike.Probably one of the MAIN reasons I jumped on.

Some people think those high end bikes are virtually equal to this bike...the performance of THIS bike is gonna blow a lot of people away once they feel how it rides and runs.Can it be ridden on a track?Yes and no.Depending.Trackers will find a way...can it be exploited on the street?Heck yeah...where it'll see it's most duty.

I think I could say with some assurance that most guys that bought this bike did it because of their trust in Kawasaki...and the awesomeness of this bike as a street performer.The ride.The fun.When it hits the owners..the REAL facts will come in.I can't wait to hear about other guys' reviews with their new Killer Kwaks;)
Are you threatening me? >:D;)
 
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I hope I didn't say anything with my comments above. I guess I did not really take the one year thing as a major selling point, I just wanted the bike. As for reliability, who is going to wring out a 200-300 hp bike? Ricky might tear up a couple, but who else will? I remember running my Honda 90 flat out for hours on end, now that was torture on a motor. I hope to run my H2 at Bonneville, but that is only about 90 seconds flat-out and I feel the motor can take that just fine. We seem to forget Kawasaki has been building supercharged motors in the boats for a while now, I'm trusting they have it figured out. A supercharged 14, now that is a wild thought!
 

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I hope I didn't say anything with my comments above. I guess I did not really take the one year thing as a major selling point, I just wanted the bike. As for reliability, who is going to wring out a 200-300 hp bike? Ricky might tear up a couple, but who else will? I remember running my Honda 90 flat out for hours on end, now that was torture on a motor. I hope to run my H2 at Bonneville, but that is only about 90 seconds flat-out and I feel the motor can take that just fine. We seem to forget Kawasaki has been building supercharged motors in the boats for a while now, I'm trusting they have it figured out. A supercharged 14, now that is a wild thought!
And airplanes, since the war... :D
 
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