[Dr.G]

Says Jalopnik...are they right?

The Kawasaki Ninja H2 Is In Grave Danger Of Falling Flat On Its Hype

The H2 sounds impressively engineered, and it certainly looks like it's going to be built to an extremely exacting standard. But for $25,000, all that tech is going to have to translate to one **** of a riding experience to make any sense at all.

 

[Bazza]

As I said in the other thread These people fall flat on their face in the first sentence. They bring nothing to the discussion that hasn't already been said here, better, with facts and logic. Essentially the piece is one long rant that he and his ilk cannot afford one, of course he couldn't just come out and say that...

 

[1krider]

As I said in the other thread These people fall flat on their face in the first sentence. They bring nothing to the discussion that hasn't already been said here, better, with facts and logic. Essentially the piece is one long rant that he and his ilk cannot afford one, of course he couldn't just come out and say that...

People like you need to come down off your high horse and stop talking like a pompous ass.
Who the [email protected] are you to assume you know anything about anyone else's finances ????

The fact is the H2 is overpriced, it's overweight, and it's underpowered for a forced induction bike.
If you can't see that for yourself, you are either uneducated or a Kawi fan boy.

Now, if someone want to buy the H2 because they don't care about value, like a Aventador or a Bugatti, then that's great for them.

But, educated guys like me will just smile and shake our heads knowing that you got ripped off and could have had something that either made more sense economically, or was faster.

 

[OneArmBandit]

People like you need to come down off your high horse and stop talking like a pompous ass.
Who the [email protected] are you to assume you know anything about anyone else's finances ????

The fact is the H2 is overpriced, it's overweight, and it's underpowered for a forced induction bike.
If you can see that for yourself, you are either uneducated or a Kawi fan boy.

Now, if someone want to buy the H2 because they don't care about value, like a Aventador or a Bugatti, then that's great for them.

But, educated guys like me will just smile and shake our heads knowing that you got ripped off and could have had something that either made more sense economically, or was faster.

Lets just say 2015 s1000rr 190HP $18k, 2015 zx10r 185HP $14k 2015 1299 Panigale $19k 180HP Now what about H2 240HP with flashed E.C.U at 23$ yes $23k for me I mean not others and 1 year factory warranty. Now I smile at them so called hard core riders with Worked S1000RR AND ZX10R going Bananas on them. Wait till I get my hands on that H2 and I will video record bone stock Dyno vs flashed Dyno With aftermarket pipe and also top end via GPS. That my frend will make me SMILE all day.

 

[ninja boy]

Bazza and Onearm.... the guy is a complete a-hole. Super annoying knucklehead.

Just avoid his nonsense, till he is banned.

 

[1krider]

Lets just say 2015 s1000rr 190HP $18k, 2015 zx10r 185HP $14k 2015 1299 Panigale $19k 180HP Now what about H2 240HP with flashed E.C.U at 23$ yes $23k for me I mean not others and 1 year factory warranty. Now I smile at them so called hard core riders with Worked S1000RR AND ZX10R going Bananas on them. Wait till I get my hands on that H2 and I will video record bone stock Dyno vs flashed Dyno With aftermarket pipe and also top end via GPS. That my frend will make me SMILE all day.

$23k is becoming more reasonable.
But, you also have to compare that to the discounted prices that everyone is getting for all the other bikes as well.
Sorry, man. Unless otherwise proven, the H2 is NOT worth TWICE a ZX10 ABS.
But, I wish you luck with yours.

Bazza and Onearm.... the guy is a complete a-hole. Super annoying knucklehead.

Just avoid his nonsense, till he is banned.

Quiet, boy. Men are talking.

 

[ninja boy]

Clown.....:laugh:

 

[Bazza]

People like you need to come down off your high horse and stop talking like a pompous ass.
Who the [email protected] are you to assume you know anything about anyone else's finances ????

The fact is the H2 is overpriced, it's overweight, and it's underpowered for a forced induction bike.
If you can't see that for yourself, you are either uneducated or a Kawi fan boy.

Now, if someone want to buy the H2 because they don't care about value, like a Aventador or a Bugatti, then that's great for them.

But, educated guys like me will just smile and shake our heads knowing that you got ripped off and could have had something that either made more sense economically, or was faster.

I'm not assuming knowledge 1K, I'm hypothesizing based on observations and FACT. Demographics and communication are my business.

The demographics of the entire Gawker/Kinja network skews under 30 (which in general is working off college debt, young family, young professional and not interested or capable of carving $25K out of their finances) the target demo for this bike is at the pointier, older end of the spectrum. The same crowd who gobbled up $70,000+ Desmo's a few years back. Thats why this bike is $25K, its not for people like YOU (which is why you're not buying one evidently) its for people not seeking a commodity, mass market product, they want a definition and a play thing. Your 2006 Gixxer is the very definition of a commodified mass market product

I get it you don't understand marketing or positioning, you didn't honestly think they would sell these along side Ninjettes in the hopes of up selling young Timothy when he strolls in with a learners, did you?

Just a year ago, Honda revealed its MotoGP production racer, the RCV1000R. With its fabulous fit and finish, that machine was hailed at the time as a likely basis for a pricey, exclusive “racer replica” to be sold to the same up-market buyers who in 2006 inhaled the 1500 Desmosedicis offered for public sale at $72,000 a copy. This is a natural response to the movement of disposable income up toward the tip of the economic pyramid. Because 1500 times $72,000 equals $108 million, this is not a market anyone can afford to ignore. Kawasaki’s recently announced 300-horsepower supercharged H2R is another example of such “up marketing.”

Product planners know that spending is moving upmarket. As the old mass market weakens, Japan’s usual commodity motorcycles become invisible to the upscale buyer, who needs a standout product with unique identity to trigger his/her spending. Rather than snooze on with the others, Kawasaki has decided to treat this change as an opportunity. As with the original H2 and Ninja 900 of 1984, the new H2 and H2R will define Kawasaki for the coming decades.

Follow the money. See if you can recognize the formula. Those who speak out in recursive apoplexy are doing so only through injury. Has your ego been injured because of an inability to purchase? You obviously don't see the worth so you get no opinion right. Those who are simply not interested in spending the money will not spend the money, but your cataclysmic and obsessive jangling over the price point and price point ONLY can only lead to one conclusion. You simply can't afford it and you're doubly pissed that Kawasaki simply doesn't GIVE A ****

 

[Clover]

I think its quite evident that the H2 is not aimed at younger folks. What under 30 person has $25k lying around?

Kawasaki has plenty of other bikes that are aimed at that demo though. It really shouldn't be something that youngins are that upset about. It's like wanting to buy a Maserati right out of college -- its just not going to happen.

 

[1krider]

I'm not assuming knowledge 1K, I'm hypothesizing based on observations and FACT. Demographics and communication are my business.

The demographics of the entire Gawker/Kinja network skews under 30 (which in general is working off college debt, young family, young professional and not interested or capable of carving $25K out of their finances) the target demo for this bike is at the pointier, older end of the spectrum. The same crowd who gobbled up $70,000+ Desmo's a few years back. Thats why this bike is $25K, its not for people like YOU (which is why you're not buying one evidently) its for people not seeking a commodity, mass market product, they want a definition and a play thing. Your 2006 Gixxer is the very definition of a commodified mass market product

I get it you don't understand marketing or positioning, you didn't honestly think they would sell these along side Ninjettes in the hopes of up selling young Timothy when he strolls in with a learners, did you?





Follow the money. See if you can recognize the formula. Those who speak out in recursive apoplexy are doing so only through injury. Has your ego been injured because of an inability to purchase? You obviously don't see the worth so you get no opinion right. Those who are simply not interested in spending the money will not spend the money, but your cataclysmic and obsessive jangling over the price point and price point ONLY can only lead to one conclusion. You simply can't afford it and you're doubly pissed that Kawasaki simply doesn't GIVE A ****

I'd sure like to meet you in person.....

 

[willem mertens]

lett us all keep calm and drink a beer