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Originally Posted by shotgun15
" THIS is definitely my last post. This is also my last Kawasaki. What a bunch of liars." H2R
Last post! Whos the liar...
I'm sorry, would a $2500 deposit make lying easier to tolerate? I said last post - in that thread. Not ever. There will be plenty of posts in other threads now and through 2016. You also will not be able to modify them. I have bought my last Kawasaki though. So technically, I haven't lied at all - you just read it and heard what you wanted to believe.

See what I did there?
This is what precipitated me being scolded by a moderator. Still not sure what forum rule it actually violated but the reason given was; 'insulted other members'. I will admit I was being a bit cheeky making my point but the only insult of a member I saw was Shotgun15 calling me a liar. Shotgun, were you also scolded for this exchange or was YSR50 merely giving me a rough time because he/she doesn't agree with my point of view?
 

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First, let me just post this link for members that are tired of these posts/threads.
http://www.ninjah2.org/forum/profile.php?do=ignorelist

I have no problem with your point of view. I support you starting your own thread, like this one, and stating your opinions/complaints.

You were given an infraction because half the threads I opened were you saying the same thing, over and over, and usually had nothing to do with the subject of the thread, which resulted in members complaining in the threads and in PMs.

You were given a 7 day ban for your childish PM response and because you asked to be.

7 days later and I start getting PMs from members asking to make your ban permanent because you picked up where you left off.

Honestly, I wasted more time on this than it's worth. You seem like a smart guy, from reading this today you must get it, so the only conclusion I can come to is that you're trolling.
And not to beat a dead horse but ...
 

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First, let me just post this link for members that are tired of these posts/threads.
http://www.ninjah2.org/forum/profile.php?do=ignorelist

I have no problem with your point of view. I support you starting your own thread, like this one, and stating your opinions/complaints.

You were given an infraction because half the threads I opened were you saying the same thing, over and over, and usually had nothing to do with the subject of the thread, which resulted in members complaining in the threads and in PMs.

You were given a 7 day ban for your childish PM response and because you asked to be.

7 days later and I start getting PMs from members asking to make your ban permanent because you picked up where you left off.

Honestly, I wasted more time on this than it's worth. You seem like a smart guy, from reading this today you must get it, so the only conclusion I can come to is that you're trolling.
I'm not trolling. When this started I was more excited than anyone. I was fairly liked here (I think). My H2 positive threads were also generating more response than any other 3 combined.

Then I discovered Kawasaki was lying to everyone. When I tried to sound the alarm you guys attacked the messenger rather than go after the guilty party. I'm still completely dumbfounded at the apathy of the people being defrauded. I keep rocking the boat in hopes those that actually DO care about the bikes performance speak up and help fix this mess.

I've been reading the threads about flashing the ECU and what I see are a bunch of disappointed buyers trying to figure out how to get back what's been taken away. However instead of constructing a fantasy world in which 'e-boost', Guhl mapping and fairy dust can suddenly overcome the mechanical limits of the head gasket and cam - I actually picked up a telephone, I read the service manual and I posted my educated, verified findings here. 'No good deed' has never had a better example than Ninjah2.org.

This delay in delivery clearly isn't due to demand. I think they're waiting to dump them all at once - but - there's also a very, very small possibility they're putting the bike right. If that, albeit small, possibility comes to pass it certainly won't be thanks to any of the members of this forum.
 

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So, I am not one of the messenger-attackers.

While I believe that a different attitude in your wording would help you winning more acolytes, I understand your point of view and I too am puzzled by the total lack of detailed communication from the mothership (here in Canada we did not even get the letters explaining the delay).

I have to admit though that I am one of those who in the end will very likely be pleased with this bike as it comes out the factory floor. Yes I did drink the kool-aid by the gallon, and yes I hoped the end result would be more "beyond belief" that **it seems to be** (written this way to convey that I know we have scarce final information).

The power and torque figures will plenty good by me anyway, but I really disapprove that Kawasaki is releasing a forced induction engine that doesn't display (directly from numbers printed in the service manual) a really substantial improvement in performance, when compared to other comparable N/A engines of same displacement/class.

On Sunday I read the service manual too (hardcopy) and it contains information about minor tweaks between regions, which points to some (small) flexibility in the state of tune to appease regulators around the World.

I agree with you that the hardware will likely limit what modifications are possible, but since the golden era of turbo engines (mid '80s), small modifications to ECU maps always brought decent performance improvements (10%/15% ?), without engines necessarily disintegrating all the time. This does not make me an expert at forced induction engines, I only interpret what I saw over the years, and I might be wrong.

All in all, for me there are positives and negatives.

Positives:
- The H2 is one of the most stunning bikes I have ever seen
- The H2 has a supercharger, I would buy it even if it came disconnected from the crank
- The H2 has high-enough quality components, received enough R&D work, and is of limited enough availability to justify its price (in my opinion, by all means)
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Negatives:
- The H2 performance figures, while excellent for a bike overall, are disappointing (in pure numbers) for a supercharged engine, especially given the weight it adds. I understand regulators, insurance, emissions and whatnot, it still remains disappointing.
- The suspension package, while super high-quality, is not active/semi-active.
- It has now been nearly two months since I paid the deposit, and I have received ZERO information whatsoever

I will be very happy with the H2, I just wish they had truly pulled out all the stops on the tech, and kept us in the loop, I would even have paid some more for that kind of treatment...

Frio
 

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"I keep rocking the boat"...okay...so we all are feeling seasick...now it's time to allow some smooth sailing,ya think?How many here for some smooth sailing?

We're all keeping our bikes..we're all accepting the delays with grace.You don't mind if we do that do you?If you're so disgruntled...take it up with Corporate...as they say in Saving Private Ryan..."you don't hear me complaining to you guys...Mine goes up...You take it to me...I take to my superiors...that's how it works..I don't complain to you"...
 

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H2 never sees the light of day if they tried to push it through road regulations in R spec... The gentlemans agreement wasn't just an excuse to circle jerk... In case you forgot during the 90's sport bikes were under very real threat of ban...

So which would you rather have, slightly disappointing specs that take away the lustre of paper racing, or no sport bikes PERIOD...
 

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This thing is capable and built to fly...and it really will once the owners get it.It has to get here first...as you said...it wouldn't if it layed down huge numbers straight out the crate.
 

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We're all tired of hearing how the glass is half empty and you saying it over and over and insinuating we're all stupid because we don't see it your way.

The glass IS 2/3 full @200hp and I am perfectly happy with it. I'm positive though we'll be able to add to it though like every other complex machine I've ever owned has.

So H2R go ahead and keep droning the same vacuous conjecture and alienating the community you want to belong to???
 
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We're all tired of hearing how the glass is half empty and you saying it over and over and insinuating we're all stupid because we don't see it your way.

The glass IS 2/3 full @200hp and I am perfectly happy with it. I'm positive though we'll be able to add to it though like every other complex machine I've ever owned has.

So H2R go ahead and keep droning the same vacuous conjecture and alienating the community you want to belong to???
Fitting...GP Protos are making about 240 hp... Full R is making more power then that... I mean... REALLY...>:D>:D0:)
 

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Thanks for the link! H2R, the child, not the bike - is now dead to me. My life just got better.

I want to learn what others do to their bikes and I will support the site sponsors. I've considered leaving this site and its sponsors because of one difficult member. Hopefully this'll solve my problem.

I'm OK with discussion and disagreement but not a single thread escaped his poison.

Greg
 
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Thanks for the link! H2R, the child, not the bike - is now dead to me. My life just got better.

I want to learn what others do to their bikes and I will support the site sponsors. I've considered leaving this site and its sponsors because of one difficult member. Hopefully this'll solve my problem.

I'm OK with discussion and disagreement but not a single thread escaped his poison.

Greg
Good riddance to you too. Although I still don't understand how Kawasaki ripping you off makes me the bad guy. Although by looking at the bikes in your stable I certainly understand how something I see as a disappointment would seem like a white knuckled thrill ride to you. With standards in the mid-range I just don't know why you chose to spend 30K on the H2.
 

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Good riddance to you too. Although I still don't understand how Kawasaki ripping you off makes me the bad guy. Although by looking at the bikes in your stable I certainly understand how something I see as a disappointment would seem like a white knuckled thrill ride to you. With standards in the mid-range I just don't know why you chose to spend 30K on the H2.
You seem to be entirely missing the point. We don't think Kawasaki has ripped us off, there's only you thinking that.
So when you repeatedly go on about how we're wrong and you're right you make it worse.
Just accept that our views don't align with yours and move on ..... contribute to the forum but talk about something else for a change. Enlighten us with your knowledge of some of the facts on other topics.

But also when you choose to type something please spare us the personal insults and bitter comments that you seem to have a need to add in order to express yourself - surely you're more intelligent than that and can use the english language in a more adult manner ?
Why, in the example above, do you choose to add very personal insults and childish comments about someones choice of motorbikes ?

I await your preaching and insults in response ....... but I would prefer an adult and balanced contribution instead. Let's see what's forthcoming ....... this will be my last attempt to pull some positivity out of you ...... if it's more negativity I will add myself to the list of those who have blocked you because perhaps thats the only way forward.
 
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