Ninja H2 Traction Control

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Yamasuki

Discussion Starter · Sep 11, 2014

Electronic limitations of the drive train is going to be interesting with the Ninja H2. The bike is ostensibly going to produce GOBS of torque, you have to figure the TC will activate in almost all of the gears even in the dry.

I wonder if power delivery will be scaled to avoid a nannied ride?

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Titan

· #2 · Sep 11, 2014

I think its funny with a lot of these superpowered bikes that so many of them get electronic limiters on them anyway. Seems to be counter to what the point of the bike is in the first place.

Yamasuki

Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 11, 2014

Titan said:
I think its funny with a lot of these superpowered bikes that so many of them get electronic limiters on them anyway. Seems to be counter to what the point of the bike is in the first place.

Do you really want to ride a 200 hp bike with no electronic aids? I mean I know we all like to think we're Grand Prix caliber riders but that's just asinine

if these guys are still highsiding even with custom mapped traction control tailored to each corner what hope do we have of riding an aidless torque monster on the open roads? H2 would be a lawsuit waiting to happen without traction control...

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kawi_fan

· #4 · Sep 11, 2014

Yup, while it is a bike meant to go fast it still need some nanny's, or else things could get ugly.

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TwoCanSam

· #5 · Sep 11, 2014

it would only make sense for the h2 to come with all the aids and electro feature to keep the rider alive and upright. now, come to think of it the h2 could possibly be on a class of its own aside from the zx's. with all these goodies regardless of the displacement the h2 is drifting ioward s1000rr monies.

TwoCanSam

· #6 · Sep 11, 2014

Yamasuki said:
Do you really want to ride a 200 hp bike with no electronic aids? I mean I know we all like to think we're Grand Prix caliber riders but that's just asinine

if these guys are still highsiding even with custom mapped traction control tailored to each corner what hope do we have of riding an aidless torque monster on the open roads? H2 would be a lawsuit waiting to happen without traction control...

Even without the fancy stab management and tc Marques himself would have trouble taming this thing.

it would be suicide to have a bike this powerful without the features to keep things gravy.

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Yamasuki

Discussion Starter · #7 · Sep 11, 2014

I assume Kawasaki would simply import the S-KRTC system from the ZX-10 to the H2, if not with improvements...

A highly sophisticated electronic system based on actual Kawasaki racing experience that’s designed to maximize forward motion by allowing racers to ride closer to the edge of traction

• The system crunches a wide range of data, including throttle position, wheel speed, engine rpm, wheel slippage and acceleration, with help from a speed sensor fitted to each wheel

• The quickest acceleration requires a certain amount of wheel slippage, so to optimize traction, S-KTRC actually allows for optimum wheelspin

• Using complex analysis, the system is able to predict when traction conditions are about to become unfavorable. By acting before slippage exceeds the range for optimal traction, the system can quickly and smoothly reduce power slightly so the wheel regains traction

• S-KTRC confirms conditions 200 times per second and governs ignition, which allows extremely quick response to changing conditions

• Riders can choose between three operational modes, depending on skill level and conditions

• A level meter on the LCD instrument panel displays how much electronic intervention the system is providing, in real time

Sweet system from the sounds of it!

Kneedraggin101

· #8 · Sep 20, 2014

You guys make this sound like it's going to be a handful, when in all reality I think the complete opposite. I've been on my 10 with 235whp with zero electronic aid and I'm still here. I have my Gsxr 1143 that made 220whp all engine and it was more of a handful then the kwak.

Use your common sense and it will be an easy bike to ride

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Yamasuki

Discussion Starter · #9 · Sep 20, 2014

in a straight line sure, corner exit is where i see TC being primarily needed...

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OneArmBandit

· #10 · Oct 13, 2014

Yamasuki said:
I assume Kawasaki would simply import the S-KRTC system from the ZX-10 to the H2, if not with improvements...

Sweet system from the sounds of it!

I just saw this you will love it. Road going Kawasaki H2 Gets Engine Brake Control and Quick Shifter | Superbike

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ZX-14R_stealthrider

· #11 · Oct 13, 2014

OneArmBandit said:
I just saw this you will love it. Road going Kawasaki H2 Gets Engine Brake Control and Quick Shifter | Superbike

Thanks for the link!

22 Days and counting till the November 4th reveal of the H2 at EICMA.

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mombo

· #12 · Oct 13, 2014

H2/h2r

OneArmBandit said:
I just saw this you will love it. Road going Kawasaki H2 Gets Engine Brake Control and Quick Shifter | Superbike

This Thing Is Slick, Trick, And Turns Up The Wick For Kawasaki Fans

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Bluesun

· #13 · Oct 13, 2014

OneArmBandit said:
I just saw this you will love it. Road going Kawasaki H2 Gets Engine Brake Control and Quick Shifter | Superbike

Nice find! Very exciting news. More evidence that the H2 will be a mass produced bike.

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OneArmBandit

· #14 · Oct 14, 2014

Cant wait to get my H2.

rod442

· #15 · Oct 14, 2014

Another thing to mention, is that my zx14r probably makes close to the TQ this thing will make. The street version, anyway. I'm at 121rwtq vs most liter bikes (under 80); and I rarely have the KTRC activate. I doubt the street version will have more than +50% tq over a zx10r, so that's around 115, and I bet it occurs at a higher rpm than my bike.

Also, I have "hard" tires fitted at the moment for better mileage - Pirelli Angel GT. I have all the grip I want. Assuming its dry out. I do get some intervention in the dry in first gear, leaving a light. But if its warm and dry out, I'm fine. Wet roads, on the other hand; can be dicy. Especially on the painted lines on the road.

mombo

· #16 · Oct 14, 2014

296hp / 115tq

I Have Read The Horse Power And Torque Numbers...

2015 Kawasaki H2R / 296HP / 115TQ

Powerband Should Be Awsome.

Rod442 Your ZX14R Has Some Great Torque #'s 121RWTQ

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NinJAHfu

· #17 · Oct 14, 2014

mombo said:
I Have Read The Horse Power And Torque Numbers...

2015 Kawasaki H2R / 296HP / 115TQ

Powerband Should Be Awsome.

Rod442 Your ZX14R Has Some Great Torque #'s 121RWTQ

Yeah that's what I also found out about the H2R, power like that is going to be awesome. How good do you think low end power/torque is going to be?

mombo

· #18 · Oct 14, 2014 (Edited)

Low End

NinJAHfu said:
Yeah that's what I also found out about the H2R, power like that is going to be awesome. How good do you think low end power/torque is going to be?

I Have 2 Supercharged Cars Right Now And They Both Make Great Low End Torque (2014 GT500 / 2006 Ion Redline)

Superchargers Have No Lag Like A Turbo Plus Big Flat Torque All The Way Up.

The Kawasaki H2R Will Be A Monster At Every RPM >

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rod442

· #19 · Oct 15, 2014

Mombo, no disrespect; but you have a completely different style supercharger in both of those vehicles. They do make great low end tq because they are a roots or screw style. The bike is going to be a centrifugal unit. See below. easiest way to explain... A centrifugal unit keeps making more and more boost as it spins faster, yours makes max boost earlier on in the rpm range and holds steadier. Now, none of that means much if the bikes blower has a variable drive, or some other way to have it spin up max rpm down low.

Roots vs. Centrifugal vs. Screw Type Supercharging : SuperchargersOnline, Worlds largest Supercharger Resource. Get Serious About Power

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mombo

· #20 · Oct 15, 2014 (Edited)

Variable Drive Supercharger

rod442, The H2R Supercharger Has A Variable Drive For Just What You Said >

They Built It For A Quick Low Speed Spool / Plus High Speed Operation

I Will See If I Can Dig Up The Info On The Supercharger For You...

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