First ride feedback

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ChrisH2

Discussion Starter · Jan 22, 2015

Well not me personally, but someone who has attended one of the test days in Spain for Kawasaki reps.

Don't believe the hype. Power talk is just for willy waving with your mates. For real bikes its all about the torque and way the power is delivered. After falling in love with big twins a few years ago mainly due to the effortlessly way in which speed is achieved on the back of wave of torque, as soon as the H2 was mentioned I just had to have one. My favourite bike for top end was an early 10R. My favourite bike for riding quickly on was my hypemotard and 1098 due to the way they delivered torque and that mid range real world experience. Even if the H2 makes 160HP it will in the real world be absolutely devastating on the road and track with the huge torgue curve characteristics and rev building of supercharged induction combined with inline 4 revs and top end power building characteristics. I don't feel misled by Kawasaki, and know for sure it will be a special ride each and every time we go out together, and i fully expect the performance envelope to be awesome just left as stock. I for one cant wait, and i leave that here. And no it wont stay std for long anyway even if i am right

Now back to topic.

This is second hand information from someone who has ridden one at a track in spain, possibly Kawasaki UK event for UK team.

1. On the back straight the H2 was pulling redline in top just over 2/3 along. A 10R for comparison on the same day was pulling redline just about at the end of the straight.

2. Following an incident on an H2 (overshoot corner) analysis of data confirmed that the rider was entering the bend after a complex of bends 15-17mph faster then he was on the 10R they were comparing against. Apparently the delivery is awesome and so much more drive out of corners it was catching out experienced riders who were arriving at the next bend quicker then they thought they were.

3. After riding an H2 and going straight back onto a 10R, the 10R felt asthmatic in comparison.

Obviously until we see the first delivery's and real world experience none of the above can be confirmed. But it comes from someone I trust, and based upon my personal riding experiences and knowledge this confirms everything I would expect from a forced induction 1000cc bike with similar power to the competition but considerably more torque which is what this bike is about in standard form.

Chris.

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pebble35

· #2 · Jan 22, 2015

ChrisH2 said:
Well not me personally, but someone who has attended one of the test days in Spain for Kawasaki reps.

SNIP

Pretty much the same as I heard - possibly from the same person ..........

I'm off to Spain in a few days on a Kawasaki event - will see what else I can find out

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Fireball36

· #3 · Jan 24, 2015

My first ride will be tame. As much as I'd like to experience full throttle on my first ride I'll need to brake it in correctly. The break in period will be painful.......

Greg

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Bazza

· #4 · Jan 24, 2015

THIS

For all the uppity naysayers...

3. After riding an H2 and going straight back onto a 10R, the 10R felt asthmatic in comparison.

Obviously until we see the first delivery's and real world experience none of the above can be confirmed. But it comes from someone I trust, and based upon my personal riding experiences and knowledge this confirms everything I would expect from a forced induction 1000cc bike with similar power to the competition but considerably more torque which is what this bike is about in standard form.

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Turtle1000

· #5 · Jan 24, 2015

Bazza said:
THIS

For all the uppity naysayers...

Go fvck yourself bazzza is that uppity enough for you?? Funny you were in lock step with that idiot fretka when it came to guhl and flashing being bunk and now you talk about doing it every day. Your a hypocrite. Have you ever ridden a 10r bazza? because they are a lot of things but athsmatic isn't one of them. I find it truly comical that you need some review to reasure you that the h2 could maybe be faster than a bike with HALF the price.

I thought I was a Kawi fanboy... In Kawasaki I trust..... Loser

SilverbirdH2

· #6 · Jan 24, 2015 (Edited)

Can someone explain THIS to me????Sheesh....

"Have you ever ridden a 10r bazza? because they are a lot of things but athsmatic isn't one of them"...here's the original post here...just above....."After riding an H2 and going STRAIGHT BACK ONTO a 10R, the 10R felt asthmatic in comparison."....from Chris's post,quoting ANOTHER guy's words in the UK who rode it.....Bazza didn't say this...or Chris either for that matter....he only said what someone else told him...

I'm missing something here?Where did Bazza say he rode a 10R?(not that he hasn't).And an H2.

As far as 'uppity naysayers'....****...almost everyone here that bought this bike feels exactly that towards those who haven't...and criticize the bike.Just sayin.'Uppity naysayers' is putting it quite mildly....

Here's what CHris posted at first...."Well not me personally, but someone who has attended one of the test days in Spain for Kawasaki reps".I don't see Bazza's name in there anywhere?

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SilverbirdH2

· #7 · Jan 24, 2015 (Edited)

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GoFaster

· #8 · Jan 24, 2015

Can we vote someone off the island ... ? ? ?

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Bazza

· #9 · Jan 24, 2015

Cheers mateys...

Turtle1000 said:
Go fvck yourself bazzza is that uppity enough for you?? Funny you were in lock step with that idiot fretka when it came to guhl and flashing being bunk and now you talk about doing it every day. Your a hypocrite. Have you ever ridden a 10r bazza? because they are a lot of things but athsmatic isn't one of them. I find it truly comical that you need some review to reasure you that the h2 could maybe be faster than a bike with HALF the price.

I thought I was a Kawi fanboy... In Kawasaki I trust..... Loser

Forgive me brightlight, sounds like you felt that one in the phallus...Let me know when you're going to be around from now on, I'll do my best to keep your ego in mind.

Pull my posts, drown me in my hypocrisy...but you can't, I know you can't because what you want to exist isn't there for you to fall back on. Never mind the actual words, I NEED TO BE ALL X in order for you to be NOT X (dangerous way to build identity if you ask me, but i digress)...another one mixing up having and being.

Learn to comprehend before you come at me, please. I don't have an issue with you, nor enough interest in having one to start one...

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OKH2

· #10 · Jan 25, 2015

GoFaster said:
Can we vote someone off the island ... ? ? ?

My vote is cast - off the island with him! he is a bit of prick and has been to several soon to be owners of this awesome machine.

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SilverbirdH2

· #11 · Jan 25, 2015 (Edited)

How clear can any of this be?.....IF you don't own one of these H2's....either go away....or post your likes about it...otherwise...WHY be here?It's an H2/H2R forum...for H2/H2R enthusiasts.SHEESH...this bike is badazz...and a bag of chips....move along if you don't feel this way.

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Cliff Secord

· #12 · Jan 25, 2015

SilverbirdH2 said:
It's an H2/H2R forum...for H2/H2R enthusiasts.

I was an enthusiast until the bike turned into hype and fraud. Now I'm an enthusiast of Kawasaki reversing their current position and delivering what was promised.

As far as the comment about the H2 making the 10R feel anemic - are you sure he didn't mean 'about equal'? If the bike is neutered to 10.5K rpm and 185ish HP how much faster than a 10R can you possibly expect it to be? And tell me again why you guys are paying a 15K premium for potential you'll never be able to realize?

45moe

· #13 · Jan 25, 2015

Can we please vote people off the island now!!!

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Cliff Secord

· #14 · Jan 25, 2015 (Edited)

45moe said:
Can we please vote people off the island now!!!

Who are you keeping? The honest or the delusional?

In 6 months I hope I owe you all an apology, I do. I want the bike that was advertised in the worst way. I would LOVE to eat my words and march right down and buy a 2016 when they start taking orders. But I'm not, you know why? Because in 2016 it's going to be the same overpriced load of hype it is this year because only a handful of people actually cared about wether or not the bike delivered and said anything. You sad pack of geriatric Honda riders who think 600's are 'track bikes' and your impossibly low standards are going to make sure the River Mark and the H2 name are a joke for the foreseeable future.

Good luck with your high hopes and that ECU reprogram you're planning on to get that horsepower Ricky Gadson erroneously led to believe you could recover. If you succeed in making power past 11K for any length of time with your stock cam and head gasket, let me know what the replacement motor costs.

SilverbirdH2

· #15 · Jan 25, 2015 (Edited)

"reversing their current position and delivering what was promised"....they said...197 HP...at 10.5. That's what they promised...it makes that.As far as ECU flashing...Ricky wasn't alone in mentioning this....EVERYONE knows the Mitsubishi ECU's for Kawasaki streetbikes are flashable.It's a given.And common practice....there's a lot left in that ECU to be adjusted....they couldn't just throw this machine out there and expect the government to give it the nod....the H2R is the proof that both bikes have big capabilities beyond...197 HP at 10.5.

Did you cancel your order?2016 comes around...you probably won't be getting one.....nobody will.The orders are done...now it's just the deliveries...soon.Mark my words on this...this ordering timeframe is gone.This was it.There won't be a 2016 H2.

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ChrisH2

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 25, 2015

Chill guys it's just a bike. Until it arrives all this is just conjecture.

I am pretty sure that the h2 will be very similar performance figures on paper to the competition. That's a given in my opinion. Welcome to the free world of regulators insurance companies and emissions regs. However where it matters in the real world riding experience it will feel considerably faster due to the torque and way the power comes in. This will make other bikes in the class feel weak particularly bottom and mid range. Snap the throttle wide open on a 10r s1000r gsxr1000 in 3rd at 5000 rpm and it will go and the revs will build to crescendo of power but no immediate drama. Do the same an old skool 1098duc and prepare for trouble.. What we have here is the best of both worlds (at least I hope so) and I am fully expecting old skool ducati bottom and mid grunt combined with class leading for 2015 top end. The engine will be more responsive then anything else available, that's what a supercharger does for you. It's physically not possible to safely ride a road bike with much more power and torque then around 200hp 90torques. They just spin wheels and wheely when you don't want them to. The h2 street will be completely de tuned and corked to extract just enough power and torque so that it feels more responsive then the competition and can be ridden with agressive throttle movements but without the electronics cutting in at every moment. That's how road bikes and forced induction cars are mapped from the factory and that's what the dyno graph and common sense tells me the h2 will be setup. 4 months ago when I placed a deposite that's what my expectation was and I am not expecting to be disappointed.

It's a waiting game now, just hope the crappy weather from states stops coming across the pond by time of delivery..

Chris.

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h2rcx

· #17 · Jan 25, 2015

There is an old saying. "There is no replacement for displacement."

Here's a new one. "Yes there is,,,,,"

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Fireball36

· #18 · Jan 25, 2015

Does anyone know where the adult H2 forum is? The forum for grown ups?

Seriously, I'm looking for a forum for H2 owners to share information, tips, pics.... A community for those that own H2's.

I'd even be fine if you needed a VIN to sign on.

This forum is quickly crossing the stupid line and is becoming pointless.

To the admin, if you're unable to maintain a community for those passionate about the H2, this forum will die as the children continue to throw toys at each other. You'll be left with a bunch of wanna be's. I expect the site sponsors are noticing this too. How can they not?

Greg

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Frio

· #19 · Jan 25, 2015

I am looking forward to this vehicle like a little kid waits for Santa.

Automotive companies (but others too) use this kind of marketing campaigns only when they are about to launch something truly outstanding, and the H2R is most definitely a serious attempt at it.

For a variety of reasons that may or may not be independent of KHI's strategy, the H2 simply cannot be at the same level of "beyond-ness".

I just wonder whether KHI went a bit too far, knowing that the street legal product just could not be much different from their competitors' lineup.

Of course the supercharger is a huge differentiating factor, and I admire them for it, so much so I have ordered the H2, but in terms of street use so is Ducati's 1.3L twin, for example.

As I said in an earlier post, I think the performance the H2 will sport will be fantastic for real world use, just not "beyond belief", it just cannot be.

In the end it will probably be a gorgeous (in my opinion), "different" vehicle, that rivals the best competition in terms of enjoyment, by taking an unconventional path; other bikes will be better at something (e.g. the R1's electronic suspension package), the H2 will (hopefully and likely) be better at something else, all within the regulator-proof rules that seem to choke motorcycles, but not cars...

Frio

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SilverbirdH2

· #20 · Jan 25, 2015 (Edited)

"I just wonder whether KHI went a bit too far, knowing that the street legal product just could not be much different from their competitors' lineup"

...that's the whole point...it HAD to be restricted this way...to get it here.Once it gets here...the gloves are off.Look at it's potential.And I don't mean 'thousands of dollars' to 'make it' something 'better'.A simple flash will open this bike up...well beyond any of the competition.Get an aftermarket exhaust(which is already being developed)...shave some weight there...lightweight battery...MAYBE some BST's...maybe.this thing is gonna rock...not that it doesn't already.As is...it might very possibly be all a guy can deal with for street riding...we don't know how this bird responds.But we do know...watching those dyno pulls and such...that putting all that to the ground as the operator did...(even if it was an H2R)..it's gonna be a handful.Watch those shifts...he's not even really opening it up...on the street...trying to open this bike up is gonna take some learning.And some careful steps to getting there.That's what I see in those vids.He's strapped down...all safe and sound...but not out there...

I think that whole wheely control system is gonna be workin overtime...KTRC...all that.It doesn't take off like a normal bike...it doesn't throttle up like a normal bike...and we've yet to see it corner.But we will...once they arrive....soon.

ALL those circuit vids we've seen...those are by guys who are pros...and still...they're not cracking this bike full open...no way.Seeing it go by the camera as it does...that's not full on....they can't even get it to go full on cause the straights aren't long enough to set up for a corner at those kinds of speeds that it can attain easily.They don't want to be on video as the first guy to wreck a new H2.This bike's speed of acceleration is not like the literbikes out there.This is a whole new level....I mean...that's what I think...from watching and listening.

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