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Just wondering if you could remove this for a conventional mechanical throttle. can this be turned off? (flashed off) traction control removed etc?
 

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Easy enough to flash the ETV maps to 100% at all throttle openings, that would be easier than changing the throttle bodies. It would still be drive by wire but a twist of the wrist wouldn't get over-ridden by a computer trying to protect you from you. ;-)

Traction control is a bit trickier but can be hacked by Guhl (as far as I know he is the only one who has done it).
Otherwise, you can turn traction control off from the switch gear but need to do that each time you turn the key on, the ECU defaults to the last traction control setting each time it starts (annoying but not a show stopper).
 

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I guess i should be more specific. Im wondering if the ecu would care if its on another bike with a regular throttle. (like my zx12r) a tuneable oem quality ecu with 8 inj drivers and an oem map sensor that reads as much boost as i care to make has a nice ring to it.
 

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The H2 ecu won't work for a different bike.Not quite understanding what you are trying to do?The pins would be different from one bike to a totally different machine.You want to disable the H2's programs and put it in another bike?It won't electrically connect up.
 

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I would use the whole wiring harness. minus the stuff for lights etc.
change my 8 tooth crank trigger for a 24-2
add the wheel speed senors i adapted from zx10 and 14

Im sick of aftermarket ecus with glitches. my stage 2 system works well, but it would be nice to have newer stuff with less boxes on the bike, and more control over the ign, etc.

im fully confident i could use a gen 2 busa ecu/harness and tune the bike with ecu editor (its been done on a zx14) but thats not my brand.
 

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It might be possible but I think you would be banging your head against a wall trying to get rid of all the errors from sensors the H2 ECU is looking for. The Busa has been around long enough for lots of people to hack those out, I don't know of anyone moving a H2 ECU to something else.

I think it sounds like you just need to find the right aftermarket ECU.
 

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Well lets make a list of what sensors the bike would be looking for? im sure there are ways that they can be incorporated? the hard part in my opinion was the drive by wire.

Ive had good and bad luck with mega squirt ecus, which are close to the bottom of the price list, and ive seen my fair share of issues with Motec stuff on customers bikes. Im not interested in going to a full standalone any time soon. Swapping a quality oem ecu over is much more appealing and likely more in my price range. I would like to see if all the little issues could be worked out. just to see if it would be worth the bother. Im happy with how my stage 2 system works, its just that a lot of the parts are old and my ecu is a pain to work with if i want to change anything in it. I only know one guy that can and hes quite a busy person. I have a flashed 2000 zx12r ecu (more rpm and a little extra dwell) a pc3, hub and gm 3 bar, map switch. and a MS2 running the 4 extra injectors and boost control solenoid. be nice to have that all wrapped up into 1 box thats 15-17 years newer lol
 

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For practical purposes the answer is "no".

Of course, as with anything else, you can perform something akin to a "radiator cap overhaul": Remove the radiator cap, toss away everything underneath it, put all new stuff in place, re-install the radiator cap.

It's just an engine. It fundamentally works the same as any other engine. It could be made to run with a carburetor and breaker-points ignition if you really wanted to. (Probably wouldn't run WELL like that, but it could run)

The rider-requested-throttle-position sensor is on the throttle bodies actuated by a set of throttle cables that work the same as on any other bike ...
 

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Well lets make a list of what sensors the bike would be looking for?
list is easy:

1. ECU
2. Immobilizer (Equipped Models)/Kawasaki Diagnostic System Connector
3. Joint Connector F
4. Rear Wheel Rotation Sensor
5. Gear Position Sensor
6. Quick Shifter Sensor
7. Frame Ground (4)
8. Frame Ground (3)
9. Frame Ground (2)
10. Frame Ground (1)
11. Joint Connector H
12. Joint Connector I
13. Engine Ground
14. Battery 12 V 8.6 Ah
15. Starter Relay
16. Main Fuse 30 A
17. ECU Fuse 15 A
18. Fuel Pump
19. ABS Hydraulic Unit
20. Fuse Box (2)
21. ETV Actuator Relay Fuse 10 A
22. Fuse Box (1)
23. Ignition Fuse 15 A
24. ETV Actuator Relay
25. Relay Box
26. Fuel Pump Relay
27. ECU Main Relay
28. Immobilizer Antenna (Equipped Models)
29. Immobilizer Amplifier (Equipped Models)
30. Front Wheel Rotation Sensor
31. Ignition Switch
32. Engine Start/Stop Switch
33. Air Switching Valve
34. Purge Valve (Other than US, CA Models)
35. Knock Sensor
36. Spark Plugs
37. Stick Coils
38. Secondary Fuel Injectors
39. Water Temperature Sensor
40. Primary Fuel Injectors
41. Throttle Position Sensor/ETV Actuator
42. Accelerator Position Sensor
43. Crankshaft Sensor
44. Camshaft Position Sensor
45. Atmospheric Pressure Sensor
46. Intake Air Pressure Sensor
47. Air Intake Chamber Pressure/Temperature Sensor
48. Purge Valve (for Supercharger)
49. Vehicle-down Sensor
50. Oxygen Sensor
51. Exhaust Butterfly Valve Actuator
52. Joint Connector G
53. IMU
 

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I see two simple choices...
1. Trust and use/modify the software.
2. Go old school and hardwire the ratios you desire without software.

If you are letting the good times roll, it's all good.
 

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KZScott, it would probably be easier to buy an ECU from Syvecs or a similar specialist. This would give you all the functionality you desire as well as logging data.
 

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that would also be going away from my whole oem reliability plan and far more expensive than i can afford. im quite tempted to run 08-13 hayabusa electronics with ecu editor. we have done lots of big power bikes with it and no issues. some over 600 hp. i just cant quite convince myself to run busa stuff though lol. the kawi h2 ecu looks great to me.
 
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