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Thought this may be of interest after riding both bikes back to back BMW then the H2, same road, same day less than an hour apart.

BMW: Taylor Exhaust, Ohins suspension, DP Racing brake pads, stock ECU, Traction control off, +1 on the counter shaft sprocket, 435 lbs with fuel
H2: traction control 2, engine braking: light, front tire, 34 psi cold, rear tire, 36 psi cold, 525 lbs with fuel

Engine:
BMW:
109db exhaust note, more vibration, 9K - 11K rpm
H2: whisper silent, incredibly smooth with 3 extra shafts
for the supercharger gear system, plus the 3 planetary gear shafts
and the impeller shaft, angry birds when off throttle which I
am learning to like.

Throttle, controls:
BMW:
robust throttle spring, light pull clutch, heli-bars, feels perfect, it should after 10,000+ miles of riding
H2: light throttle spring, clutch is fine, being hydraulic and beefy

Front Brake:
BMW: good initial bite, front tire Pilot 3 does not deflect under heavy braking, no chatter
H2: powerful brakes more linear probably due to not having racing pads installed, soft bridgestone carcus deflects doing the classic figure 8 under hard braking

Rear Brake:
BMW:
near useless, I can stand on it and no abs kicks in ever, lol
H2: a decent amount of stopping power and you can feel it kick on and off, inspires confidence to use, on track I plan to use the rear brake more to keep the front from squirming as much. It feels like the H2 takes longer to stop,

Throttle response:
BMW: Linear, 9 - 11K bump in HP, front wheel light in 2nd, 3rd gear
H2: builds like one would expect, in general I would guess revs build 15 - 20 faster and throttle movement is about 1/3rd less than the BMW, Kawi put a quarter turn throttle on it, pretty crazy IMHO.

Functional comfort:
BMW: perfect seat/footpeg height, seat is short enough that in a tuck it feels good, suspension is more harsh, even on lightest street setting which contributes to a more visceral feel.
H2: the cup in the back of the seat is OK, but if you hang off with your ass back, it is a slight PITA. I like the lower hump on the tank, will be easy to get comfy on the track.

Acceleration:
BMW: Linear and until now I thought pretty quick, engine vibes exhaust note 109db makes you think you are going quicker than you are, 2nd, 3rd gear tendency to wheelie between 9 - 11 K rpm. This bike used to scare me, errr not any more.
H2: Turbine like smoothness, keeps building till 13K rpm, looking for the cut back in fuel to 35% at 10.5K rpm, but don't have anything to compare it too, but I am sure the dyno's don't lie, find myself shifting 20% quicker when on the gas, medium to hard.

Sidenote: rollon's performed against 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 with flashed ECU and stock gearing (higher than the H2), 60 mph to 13 K rpm in 2nd, and 3rd. I would guess 15 - 20 bike lengths that the H2 put on the 1000. IMHO the H2 is really geared too low, some will beg to differ, it takes a smooth hand and a much finer touch to ride the H2 hard versus the BMW. Maybe some of it is seat time, 4 years on the BMW versus the H2, time will tell, when I put it on the track and add the necessary tweaks, brake pads, Akra exhaust, suspension adjustments, etc...

Wrapup:
Just to throw this out there, how long does it take you in miles/trackdays, etc to become "one" with the bike ? I honestly think for my first 1000cc bike it took about 5K miles and 2 to 3 track days. Obviously those who jump from one 1000 to another may have differing views on this. I think my years of NOT using traction control with the BMW has helped my riding ability, throttle application at any lean angle. Share what works for you.

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The H2's weight is the biggest difference I see over other sport bikes. I took my H2 on a road I have ridden many times on my Ducati (which weighs 405#). The road has lots of elevation changes and turns that were anywhere from 20 mph u-turns to 80 mph sweepers. It was a big difference with the H2. The acceleration was incredible as is the braking, but I had to work a lot harder to just move the big thing around. I saw a lot of other sport bikes, but did not ride with any of them.
 

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Rhody agree on H2 geared to low, also out of curiosity what brand of front race pads do you like ? Thanks
DP Pads...

The H2's weight is the biggest difference I see over other sport bikes. I took my H2 on a road I have ridden many times on my Ducati (which weighs 405#). The road has lots of elevation changes and turns that were anywhere from 20 mph u-turns to 80 mph sweepers. It was a big difference with the H2. The acceleration was incredible as is the braking, but I had to work a lot harder to just move the big thing around. I saw a lot of other sport bikes, but did not ride with any of them.
edlinlr,

I agree. track days will tell it all Thompson see the course below...
Am wondering how my legs will feel hoofing the beast from right to left, then again, I may be able to take it easier on the corners and sprint, brake in the short sections, lol... If I still have the BMW (it is for sale) I will take both bikes, I will put my slicks for the BMW on the H2 to see if it gives me an extra safety margin, lol... I plan to stay away from every sketchy rider out there. More than a few friends and other guys crash from mixing it up and riding above their ability or tires, etc... I am not going to dump either bike, especially due to someone else.

Rhody...

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Hopefully you have a gopro or gopro's to mount to your H2 when you plan to take it out to the track. would be great to get that point of view.
 

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Hopefully you have a gopro or gopro's to mount to your H2 when you plan to take it out to the track. would be great to get that point of view.
Ryder,

I have two Drift HD Ghost cams, and some BMW footage from last year, should be interesting to see the comparisons, I sort of know the track so that is a plus... I only post links to friends, lol...

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not seen this before



Thank you for the context, cheers.
 

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SC endfroat

Just had end float measured at 1000 miles....It is bang on at .1 which is what it left the factory with. The service limit is .5 so hopefully loads of miles in this unit.
 

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Ryder,

I have two Drift HD Ghost cams, and some BMW footage from last year, should be interesting to see the comparisons, I sort of know the track so that is a plus... I only post links to friends, lol...

Rhody...
Knowing the track is golden, really helps in pushing the bike as you know what to expect!
 

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not seen this before



Thank you for the context, cheers.
That impeller chain / gears / ceramic bearing are a work of art, that chain spins at 16K rpm... the photos came with the memo stick in the Kawasaki gift box... can only imagine the number of R&D hours that went into that final design...

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How many of the 80+ patents do you think are encompassed in that one picture. My guess is more than a few. Which bike gets this little gem next, the 636 the 300 or oh my god the 14 R.
 

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How many of the 80+ patents do you think are encompassed in that one picture. My guess is more than a few. Which bike gets this little gem next, the 636 the 300 or oh my god the 14 R.
I've said from the start it will be the 300's... When Kawasaki redefine that sector people will be chomping at the bit for 600. The 1400 won't happen because the H2 hit the regulations / emissions and unnecessary wall. It is now proved by the H2R that we can expect 100bhp 300cc and 200 bhp 600 cc bikes. Historically K likes the 900cc category so I would happily bet on that the next big ( huge ) event. Though I am biased as a H2 owner I really don't see them trying to top it.
 

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That impeller chain / gears / ceramic bearing are a work of art, that chain spins at 16K rpm... the photos came with the memo stick in the Kawasaki gift box... can only imagine the number of R&D hours that went into that final design...

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In the picture, where is the ceramic ?
 

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Would like to do a desert run with my H p 4 being ridden by another guy

to see how they accelerate.

Go Pros on both.

Possible 3rd bike as a camera bike.
 

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Would like to do a desert run with my H p 4 being ridden by another guy

to see how they accelerate.

Go Pros on both.

Possible 3rd bike as a camera bike.

Educated guess knowing the gearing on the H2, H2 will be a few bike lengths ahead in 2nd, 3rd, given two riders with the same level of talent.


Let us know...


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Possibly inside the cage, the Bike World tester Chris referred to ceramic bearings in his Qatar Test video, I have the manual at home I will check tonight... Not sure I quite believe it either...

Rhody...

Check these out...
Now i understand , thank you rhody :D
 

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A couple more observations after putting miles on her, throttle response in 2nd gear at slightly above 8K+ is very twitchy, assume secondary injectors are adding the to fun. This translates to using 3rd gear instead on the track at those speeds.

Second, the pipe before the cat turned blue today as a result of running for short periods above 10K in 2nd 3rd gears, I swear the internals to the cat have deformed somehow because the exhaust seems louder. Maybe my imagination. I will post a pic to this thread tomorrow to prove it, am beat at the moment.

Third, engine braking near red-line when throttle is closed is very noticeable, I like that, always use rear brake when hard on the front brake because this bike is 90 or so pounds heavier than the BMW S1000RR. I have to recalibrate my braking points to give myself more room.

Finally, until I get the Akrapovic exhaust, it is hard to tell when to shift when on the gas. On the BMW I do it by sound, but the H2 is silky smooth and very quiet in comparison, and I have to shift quicker as well. Again, minor adjustments in the old brain are needed to commit lots of bike behavior to muscle memory. All in all good so far.

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Possibly inside the cage, the Bike World tester Chris referred to ceramic bearings in his Qatar Test video, I have the manual at home I will check tonight... Not sure I quite believe it either...

Rhody...

Check these out...

Interesting write up on ceramic bearings... lots of good reasons to put them in the supercharger, lighter, less friction, smoother, etc...


Boca Bearing Company :: Ceramic Bearing Specialists
 
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