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#41 · (Edited)
malh2 said:
I tried it the other day as well as today and yes you can do clutchless blip downshifts on this bike.BUTif you don't get it EXACTLY right it WILL lurch forward.I certainly WOULD NOT be doing this heading into or setting up for a corner.This was done in a straight line just for shits and giggles and I repeat if your doing this whilst braking for a corner or setting up for one IT WILL BITE YOU IN THE ASS sooner or later.IT IS SOMETHING I WILL NOT CONTINUE TO DO AT ANY STAGE IN THE FUTURE AS I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF IT COULD BE DONE.
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If at first you don't succeed, quit - General George S Patton.

Oh wait, nobody anyone remembers ever said that.

It will not bite you in the ass sooner or later once you know how to do it. Its so simple a baby can do it. Unless you have Navin Johnson's rythm, its just like learning to wheelie or clutchless upshift. You blow it a couple times, then your brain figures it out and then it becomes second nature. BTW, its called a 'blip', like 2-4%. How hard did you goose it??? You also do one a nano second after the other. As close together as possible. Its called 'timing'. Not that 'timing'. The other one.
 
#42 · (Edited)
GoFaster said:
If you can do it without the electronic aid, go nuts and do that. Just don't accuse everyone else of "not knowing how to ride" because they opt not to do it that way.

Quickshifter upshifts are worth time on the race track, because a person is not physically capable of shutting the throttle for 50 milliseconds and have it resume at full power. The finite amount of time spent with the throttle less than wide open - even if you are not using the clutch! - is time when someone else who has an automated quickshifter will be accelerating while you aren't.

Downshifting for a corner, on the other hand ... doesn't have that benefit. You are on the brakes anyhow and are wanting to NOT have the engine trying to push the bike forward. As long as you can get the required number of downshifts done before the corner entrance somehow ... good enough. Some people (includes me) individually clutch-in and blip the throttle for each gearchange down, others pull in the clutch once and do all the downshifts and let out the clutch once. The latter approach is facilitated if you have a slipper clutch ... my race bike does not. There is really no difference in lap time one way or the other.

All this is why I'd like to have my quickshifter back (I've flipped the linkage over to use reverse shift pattern) but I'm indifferent to whether the auto-blip clutchless downshifting is enabled or not.

There is one rider in my area who has an (aftermarket) auto-blipper for downshifting (on a Yamaha R1). I would describe this particular rider as a "track day hero". He's put all sorts of gizmos and goodies on that R1, and for all that, he goes to track days with it and does about the same lap times with that tricked out 180 hp newfangled bike that I do with my skinny tire 60 hp 27 year old carbureted bike with no rider aids and old school right-side-up damper-rod forks and with handlebars above the triple clamp - and a rider who is pushing 50 years old.
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I already made nearly all of those points. I don't even understand what we're arguing about anymore. Are you mad that we largely agree?

I'm repeating myself but it really makes my point; an auto blipper is guitar hero. I didn't say it wasn't cool or fun or entertaining or convenient - its a shortcut to learning to do it right. A handicap. A crutch. If you want to improve, you should learn to play the instrument. The automatic in a Z06 and Hellcat are both technically faster, but the stick versions are infinitely more attractive. Always have been, always will be. Same goes for two wheels. What fun is it if the whole bike becomes automatic? Auto shifters, auto wheelie, auto braking, auto stoppie, auto launch etc, etc. The whole point of the excercise starts to lose its meaning. KQS is cool. KLCM is cool. Autoblippers are cool - but you know what's cooler? The BAMF that doesn't need all that sh*t who comes out and beats you with nothing but testicular fortitude. Riding a motorcycle is about constantly learning, pushing your limit and testing your mettle...or at least it used to be.

All this 'auto' nonsense is taking the sport, and the spirit, in the wrong direction. Yamaha is even developing a stupid robot to ride their bikes now. They say in a few years, it'll be faster than you or I. Total automation is the future and it sucks. Robbie the Robot may be the fastest thing ever but 100 years from now guys like Foggy will still be my hero. It's about the man, not the machine. Kids can't look up to an ECU. Nobody wants join the Navy anymore to be 'Top Drone' pilot. I see a Tesla and I see dead people inside. Masters of their own obsolescence. Stuff like 'auto-blippers' are just one more symptom of the sickness. Turn all that nanny, training wheel, great equalizer crap off and learn to ride your d*mn motorcycle yourself, the right way. You don't need an autoblipper any more than you should be riding b*tch on your own bike.

And If the guy in that H2R track day video was using the clutch to downshift, I'll eat his takeoffs.
 
#43 ·
When auto wheelie and auto stoppie become reality I'll eat me hat...regular automatics are ok but paddle shifters are awesome.... The new automatics even are much better than years ago they switch gears faster and when you want. It's not like the 90's man. The only problem I've had is cars with like 9 speeds seem to hunt for the right gear that's it. @Cliff Secord I take it you never use clutchless up shifts (quickshifter I mean)since your such a purist?
 
#45 ·
Turtle1000 said:
When auto wheelie and auto stoppie become reality I'll eat me hat...regular automatics are ok but paddle shifters are awesome.... The new automatics even are much better than years ago they switch gears faster and when you want. It's not like the 90's man. The only problem I've had is cars with like 9 speeds seem to hunt for the right gear that's it. @Cliff Secord I take it you never use clutchless up shifts (quickshifter I mean)since your such a purist?
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Never. The KQS would just screw up my rythm. I know its technically faster but not in any meaningful way for me. Clutchless shifting is so ingrained, my brain would still blip the throttle anyway. Never say never, I might mess with it looking for tenths at the drag strip, otherwise I have no use for it.

I also got $20 bucks says apples to apples, my reflexes can still out run you. :)
 
#46 · (Edited)
mick46 said:
I don't know what "eat his takeoffs" is supposed to mean , but since the H2R rider in the previous video was quite obviously using the clutch to downshift I suggest Mr Secord goes right ahead !
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You don't know what 'takeoffs' are but you're going to lecture me on track technique? Please, take my bet. $1000 says I can replicate that sound identically downshifting with one hand behind my back.
 
#47 ·
So here's the thing... Autoblipper? Cool as f**k , I want one .
None of us needs one though. It's something that's now available as a result of having a drive by wire throttle system , not a device to help us improve on our poor clutch-less downshifting technique. Changing down gears without using the clutch is not beneficial in any way. Do Valentino Marc Jorge et al demonstrate their finely honed no-clutch down shifts? No they do not! Neither does anyone else ... because there is no benefit to it .
Do it if it makes you happy... I care not !
But it is not a superior skill that you possess and the rest of us can't master and therefore need an autoblipper to compensate .
 
#48 ·
Cliff Secord said:
If at first you don't succeed, quit - General George S Patton.

Oh wait, nobody anyone remembers ever said that.

It will not bite you in the ass sooner or later once you know how to do it. Its so simple a baby can do it. Unless you have Navin Johnson's rythm, its just like learning to wheelie or clutchless upshift. You blow it a couple times, then your brain figures it out and then it becomes second nature. BTW, its called a 'blip', like 2-4%. How hard did you goose it??? You also do one a nano second after the other. As close together as possible. Its called 'timing'. Not that 'timing'. The other one.
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I have no idear what Navin johnsons rythm is and really dont care, I am not a baby unless you call one one with 39 years of riding motorcycles on the road and more track days under my belt than i can remember.I really dont care about this and just for the record it only lurched lightly the first time .I tried it just for fun just like i seen some one swimming freestyle backwards once and i tried it just for fun,Maybe you should try that and tell us all how easy it is.I can do it let me know when you can ;)
 
#49 ·
Cliff Secord said:
Never. The KQS would just screw up my rythm. I know its technically faster but not in any meaningful way for me. Clutchless shifting is so ingrained, my brain would still blip the throttle anyway. Never say never, I might mess with it looking for tenths at the drag strip, otherwise I have no use for it.

I also got $20 bucks says apples to apples, my reflexes can still out run you. :)
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Well I ride gen 4 so yes you could out run me on h2 but if I had h2 I'd up that bet 100times >:D I had no qs on my bike then I got one it 100% makes a BIG difference when the engine takes milliseconds of no throttle to shift compared to a lot more when clutching. Where I am is more twisties not enough wide open road for h2 to stretch legs effectively
 
#50 · (Edited)
Note: Well apparently you can't embed facebook videos?? Go to Guhl Motors facebook page to see a video of autoblipper in action on the dyno.

This uses the ZX10 shift linkage sensor which is a push-pull sensor. The stock H2 sensor is upshift sensing only. The ZX10 sensor is mechanically and electrically plug and play. The only down side is Kawi has them on back order.
 
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#52 · (Edited)
With the ZX10R Shift sensor installed, the H2 can be configured with the Auto-Blipper and can also be configured for a GP shift pattern.
The Auto-Blipper is no additional charge with the Guhl Motors GUTS ECU reflash. Of course, the customer is responsible for the cost/installation of the ZX10R shift sensor.
 
#54 ·
Bikepusher said:
Just got my ecu from Brock's, can I send it to you and get the updated flash?
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Yes. Send it directly to Don. There is no charge for the software upgrade, you will be responsible for shipping. You will need to purchase a ZX-10R shifter switch and modify your shift linkage a bit. Electrically, it is a plug and play.

Please note: This project is in it's infancy and still needs more testing. You might want to wait a bit before sending it in.

Brock
 
#59 ·
It's really a bunch more fun to auto blip for real!

Thank you 650 Ib for the use of your bike during the developmental period, it was well worth the wait :)



Anyone who has purchased this flash from Brock's or Guhl can now follow the steps above and recieve their update for FREE. Please note, you will need to purchase and install an OEM 2016 ZX-10R shift switch. We will have full details on our site very soon.


Brock
 
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