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Sorry, folks. But, $60k for a bike is laughable.

Nissan GTR's were selling for $72k brand new in 2009. I've bought brand new C6 Corvettes for the low $40's. I bought my brand new 2006 GSX-R 1k for $9,500, and that bike is STILL the most fun to ride. (Suzuki hasn't made a bike worth buying since that generation.) No way am I paying more that ZX14 money for a street version of the H2R.

 

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If this is true.... then I have to say sorry, don't buy one.


There's no way they are going to sell an H2 (street) for the same money as a zx14r/zx10r. Approx 16K msrp. Why would they? Its going to be over 20K (my opinion). A mag hinted that its going to be 17K euro, which is what? 21,500? I thought all along that we'd be lucky to see under 25K.


The R version? what did you expect? They went straight at whipping everyone, including the Superleggera, and that runs 65K or so. Now add in limited production, a CF body and a supercharger? Its almost a bargain compared to the Duc. Heck, I read that the R has ohlins fg300 forks. Those alone are what? 15K?
 

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If this is true.... then I have to say sorry, don't buy one.


There's no way they are going to sell an H2 (street) for the same money as a zx14r/zx10r. Approx 16K msrp. Why would they? Its going to be over 20K (my opinion). A mag hinted that its going to be 17K euro, which is what? 21,500? I thought all along that we'd be lucky to see under 25K.


The R version? what did you expect? They went straight at whipping everyone, including the Superleggera, and that runs 65K or so. Now add in limited production, a CF body and a supercharger? Its almost a bargain compared to the Duc.

Kawasaki already sells a supercharged Jet Ski with 300hp for $15k MSRP and a low average retail cost of $11k.
So,mid to high teens DOES make sense for a street version of the H2.
For reference, their NON-supercharged Jet Ski has a $9,700 MSRP and a low retail of $6,900.

Compare the price of OEM watercrafts that are naturally aspirated and those that add a OEM supercharger for reference.
Compare the C6 Corvette ZO6 and C7 ZO6 MSRP's for reference.

I've been adding centrifugal superchargers to my toys since the early 1990's. I know how much it costs me, and I have an idea how much it costs a OEM.
ZX14 money for a 1000cc with a blower IS reasonable.
 

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If this is true.... then I have to say sorry, don't buy one.


There's no way they are going to sell an H2 (street) for the same money as a zx14r/zx10r. Approx 16K msrp. Why would they? Its going to be over 20K (my opinion). A mag hinted that its going to be 17K euro, which is what? 21,500? I thought all along that we'd be lucky to see under 25K.


The R version? what did you expect? They went straight at whipping everyone, including the Superleggera, and that runs 65K or so. Now add in limited production, a CF body and a supercharger? Its almost a bargain compared to the Duc.
Good logic rod, agreed.

I do think the road going H2 may be priced more in line with the Panigales.

1199: $18,995
1199 S: $25,495
1199 R: $30,995

I'm thinking somewhere in between S and R is a fair bet, the top end of the euro sport bikes has got to be their target, otherwise I just can't figure whose money they are chasing after????
 

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Kawasaki already sells a supercharged Jet Ski with 300hp for $15k MSRP and a low average retail cost of $11k.
So,mid to high teens DOES make sense for a street version of the H2.

Compare the price of OEM watercrafts that are naturally aspirated and those that add a OEM supercharger.
Compare the C6 Corvette ZO6 and C7 ZO6 MSRP's for reference.

I've been adding centrifugal superchargers to my toys since the early 1990's. I know how much it costs me, and I have an idea how much it costs a OEM.
ZX14 money for a 1000cc with a blower IS reasonable.
I would love to agree. And honestly, I'm not trying to be an (insert bad word here). lol. but saying they make a jet ski with a supercharger and because of that this H2 should cost the same - is a bit silly. No? Its not a Jet ski, nor ever will it be one.

Simple fact is... it costs whatever they think they can ask for it, because people will buy it; or they wont.

People pay High teens to 20's for regular 1199 Ducati's to 35K for the R.
People pay 20K for a Bmw S1Krr, and 30K for an Hp4.

Unless Kawasaki is dying to give money away, AND take sales away from the zx10r (which cost about the same as said zx14r); the H2 will not cost the same. Nor should it.

If you were at a dealer looking at a zx10r or right next to it was a H2 for the same money; which would you choose? Unless you cant have a 10r for class racing reasons. Or the insurance man says "NO h2 for you".

Lets assume they are trying to make money on the H2. If that's the case, and you could ask for similar money than the above mentioned high end bikes; you would be silly not to.

And on the R version? a limited run of bikes cost a lot, and with OEM quality carbon fiber body parts? That cost a bunch of money. Ohlins frg300 forks cost a lot. high end Brembo brakes cost a lot.

Plus, how much are other 300 hp class bikes? a lot. Not that they really make any. Sky is the limit. And if they ask too much, no one will pay it; and prices will come down. OR they will sit... not sell, and get cancelled.


As for the corvette reference... A low option C6 cost low 40's. Sure. You could bolt on an edelbrock blower kit for 7-8K. So does that mean a ZR1 should cost 55? NO. They cost 100K+.
 
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I would love to agree. And honestly, I'm not trying to be an (insert bad word here). lol. but saying they make a jet ski with a supercharger and because of that this H2 should cost the same - is a bit silly. No? Its not a Jet ski, nor ever will it be one.

Simple fact is... it costs whatever they think they can ask for it, because people will buy it; or they wont.

People pay High teens to 20's for regular 1199 Ducati's to 35K for the R.
People pay 20K for a Bmw S1Krr, and 30K for an Hp4.

Unless Kawasaki is dying to give money away, AND take sales away from the zx10r (which cost about the same as said zx14r); the H2 will not cost the same. Nor should it.

If you were at a dealer looking at a zx10r or right next to it was a H2 for the same money; which would you choose? Unless you cant have a 10r for class racing reasons. Or the insurance man says "NO h2 for you".

Lets assume they are trying to make money on the H2. If that's the case, and you could ask for similar money than the above mentioned high end bikes; you would be silly not to.

And on the R version? a limited run of bikes cost a lot, and with OEM quality carbon fiber body parts? That cost a bunch of money. Ohlins frg300 forks cost a lot. high end Brembo brakes cost a lot.

Plus, how much are other 300 hp class bikes? a lot. Not that they really make any. Sky is the limit. And if they ask too much, no one will pay it; and prices will come down. OR they will sit... not sell, and get cancelled.


As for the corvette reference... A low option C6 cost low 40's. Sure. You could bolt on an edelbrock blower kit for 7-8K. So does that mean a ZR1 should cost 55? NO. They cost 100K+.

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Besides that the last H2R price was last suggest at $65k retail and this dealer invoice confirms it. With that last H2R price came along a $30k H2 retail tag.
 

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That is quite the price for a bike that you can only drive on closed tracks.

Let's play a game. What else could you buy with $60k?
 

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Whoever doctored that invoice left one mistake:

FLOORING PROGRAM NAME: 2015 NINJA 90 DAY - MAY 2014

Do you think Kawi offered a 90 day flooring program for a 2015 Ninja in May before any 2015s were announced? Even if they did, that program would have expired in July or August.

Not to mention, if they are invoicing dealers, that means they are shipping. From what I have read these will not be on dealership floors for awhile. I am waiting for the cost published by Kawi before I make a decision.
 

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The only vote you have is YOUR PURCHASE.
So, the ONLY vote that counts is the vote that you make with YOUR MONEY this year.


The ONLY people that can say the H2R is worth the money are those that actually have the $60k+ to spend and are actually buying the H2R.
If you are NOT buying the H2R at $60k+ this year, YOUR VOTE IS THAT IT IS NOT WORTH $60k+.

The only people who can say that the H2R is worth $60k+ are those that ARE BUYING THE H2R THIS YEAR.

I am so sick and tired of kids and broke posters saying that "XXXX is worth the money" when they CAN"T or WON"T be buying XXXX.
I bought new Z51 Corvettes, new ZX10's, and new GSXR 1ks, so my "vote" was that they are worth the money.
I did NOT buy ZO6, ZR1, GTR, etc, so my "vote" was that they were NOT worth the money.

So, the only opinion that matters in this threas is:
WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING IN THE REAL WORLD WITH YOUR MONEY THIS YEAR ????


Case in point:
My buddy is a Porsche Tech and he is always running off at the mouth about how Porsche is the best and worth the money.
Then, he goes out and buys a Corvette.
So, I tell him to STFU about Porsche until he actually buys one with his money.
Because, the ONLY vote that counts is what YOU ACTUALLY BUY WITH YOUR MONEY.
And, he bought a Corvette. So, his actual vote is CORVETTE is the best buy for the money.

ZR1, GTR, and 911 Turbo are all great cars.
But, there are much better choices for the money. If you don't agree, when are you buying your H2R, GTR, ZR1, etc ????
 

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That's some crazy pricing. At a price like that, i'm not sure if many folks will be buying it.

I was thinking pricing would be around the same price range as the 1199 ducati.
 

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I would love to agree. And honestly, I'm not trying to be an (insert bad word here). lol. but saying they make a jet ski with a supercharger and because of that this H2 should cost the same - is a bit silly. No? Its not a Jet ski, nor ever will it be one. .

You missed the point.
I was comparing apples to apples.
I gave you an example of the price difference for what Kawasaki charges to ADD A SUPERCHARGER to similar vehicle and the premium they charge over a similar model that is NON-supercharged.

Although superchargers are new to sportbikes, this technology, the engineering/manufacturing, and the costs/pricing are all old news.
 

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y'all need to stop fretting, look what @McCarthy found somewhere...



250 bhp, $29,999, I think you're going to make a lot of Panners and HP4's swallow and HARD ;)
 

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y'all need to stop fretting, look what @McCarthy found somewhere...



250 bhp, $29,999, I think you're going to make a lot of Panners and HP4's swallow and HARD ;)
I have seen that same screenshot modified with different information.
Some of them, completely sarcastic, just to prove a point.

So, with all due respect, I would take that screenshot with a bit of skepticism.

Even at $30k/250hp, a turbo'd 1000cc starts looking like a better solution.
 

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OK. Let me go at this one more time. Lets assume the street version H2 is nothing more than a zx10r with a blower attached. THAT ALONE woule mean it should cost 3-5K more than a zx10r. (based on your story that this bike should be nothing more than a stock bike with an aftermarket power adder.)

And the zx10r is 15,299 msrp. What person in their right mind would charge the same for that bike which now has a supercharger? No one.

NOW add in the addition developement costs of the new frame, supercharger drive, higher tech traction systems, additional motor costs for reliability, potential higher end brakes, shocks, forks, etc etc.

How much does THAT cost? A lot.
 

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OK. Let me go at this one more time. Lets assume the street version H2 is nothing more than a zx10r with a blower attached. THAT ALONE woule mean it should cost 3-5K more than a zx10r. (based on your story that this bike should be nothing more than a stock bike with an aftermarket power adder.)

And the zx10r is 15,299 msrp. What person in their right mind would charge the same for that bike which now has a supercharger? No one.

NOW add in the addition developement costs of the new frame, supercharger drive, higher tech traction systems, additional motor costs for reliability, potential higher end brakes, shocks, forks, etc etc.

How much does THAT cost? A lot.
Not as much as you think.
 

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Maybe not, but additional costs do get passed onto the consumer. And YOU were saying they should sell it for the SAME money.

Whats more inportant, is what are those things in PERCIEVED value to the customer? Thats what Kawasaki is going to base their price on. Just like every other bike manufacturer with high end models. Is a bmw HP4 worth 10k over a regular s1000rr? Is the Ducati 1199 R worth 10K over the regular panigale? Let alone talk about the older desmo or the superleggera. at 65K.

So if there is a zx10r on the showroom floor for 15-16K..... and NEXT to it is a bike, the H2.... WITH a factory blower, and an additional 20, 30, 40, 50 hp? Better brakes? better suspension? better electronics? better exclusivity? (maybe). How much does that cost? Or rather, how much can they charge for it?

How much more are those added values worth to the consumer? Given what people are willing to pay for the above listed Ducati and BMW's, I'd say kawasaki is banking on the same kind of upcharges. And it will charge more than a "basic zx10r". not because it necessarily costs more to build, but because they can. and people will pay it.

and PS. Your arguments about a Nissan GTR for 72k (now 101K+) , and a C6 for 40K (now C7 54k+), and a 06 gsxr for 9K (now 13.9K) aren't worth a hill of beans. They dont cost that anymore, and never will again.
 

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I am so sick and tired of kids and broke posters saying that "XXXX is worth the money" when they CAN"T or WON"T be buying XXXX.


A Porsche 991 GT3 is most definitely worth the money, I can buy one, it's one of the best track cars ever produced. But I will order a 2015 Stingray LT1 with performance package because of a better value. I'm not a kid either. 41 and retired.


Not everyone on the internet is a troll. Just saying.
 
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