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post #131 of 161 Old 04-01-2019, 10:30 AM
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For those who were thinking the claimed power increases were going to be had solely in the ETV maps... here are the ETV maps from the 2019 USA (California) ECU. I only provided the top end, full load throttle mapping as comparisons between the -0963 USA ECU and the 19 USA California ECU:

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I plan on strapping the bike down for baseline power pulls sometime this week. Need to get the ceramic coating done; driving this thing around "unprotected" has been killing me inside!

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Timing (again, only showing top end, high throttle load) from 15 -0963 USA ECU vs 2019 USA California ECU
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RPM Limiters from 15 -0963 USA ECU vs 2019 USA California ECU
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For those who were thinking the claimed power increases were going to be had solely in the ETV maps... here are the ETV maps from the 2019 USA (California) ECU. I only provided the top end, full load throttle mapping as comparisons between the -0963 USA ECU and the 19 USA California ECU:

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I plan on strapping the bike down for baseline power pulls sometime this week. Need to get the ceramic coating done; driving this thing around "unprotected" has been killing me inside!
It does look like they just changed the the map in 1st and the upper gears to get the gain. they went from approx 62% to 100 at the next RPM level.

What I am curious about is your air filter. Is there any way you can compare it to an older one?
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What I am curious about is your air filter. Is there any way you can compare it to an older one?
The only way I could would be to order an OEM one from a 15-18 model and compare it with my OEM one. I have a few filters on the way to test on the dyno as well as confirm or deny if they did change the housing as the filters were only shown for up to the 2018 MY.

If I had to venture a guess, I would be willing to guess the housing shape and size stayed the same they just increased the area of the filter element itself cutting down on the trim surrounding the filter element and filling in that space with a larger element.
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It does look like they just changed the the map in 1st and the upper gears to get the gain. they went from approx 62% to 100 at the next RPM level.

What I am curious about is your air filter. Is there any way you can compare it to an older one?


Ted, I have a standard 16 filter in my garage, Iíll take a look if I get time, should pick up the 19 before the weekend.


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Ted, I have a standard 16 filter in my garage, Iíll take a look if I get time, should pick up the 19 before the weekend.


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Awesome, enjoy your new bike!
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For those who were thinking the claimed power increases were going to be had solely in the ETV maps... here are the ETV maps from the 2019 USA (California) ECU. I only provided the top end, full load throttle mapping as comparisons between the -0963 USA ECU and the 19 USA California ECU:


I plan on strapping the bike down for baseline power pulls sometime this week. Need to get the ceramic coating done; driving this thing around "unprotected" has been killing me inside!
So it looks like 5th and 6th have a 40+% opening difference before closing again. So I am assuming we are going to see it peak a little later than previous years, and then fall back off again.

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Interesting tables
Cuz then the extra 31hp isn’t really coming from the rpms or tables
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^That's not what it looks like to me. In 5th and 6th gear, instead of closing the throttle blades down 62.4% on previous years it stays at 100% for the 2019, and another cell shows 89% for 2019 instead of closing to 45%. So now instead of flattening off and falling at 11,000rpm, it gets more power at a higher rpm, before falling back off again.

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In 5th and 6th gear, instead of closing the throttle blades down 62.4% on previous years it stays at 100% for the 2019, and another cell shows 89% for 2019 instead of closing to 45%. So now instead of flattening off and falling at 11,000rpm, it gets more power at a higher rpm, before falling back off again.
Bingo. In 4th and 5th gear the electronic throttle is allowed to open a bit more and then closes off later, in a few instances closing down even more than the 15-18 models (5th gear: 36.1% old vs 29.4% new followed by 35.3% vs 5.9% new || 6th gear it shuts down just as bad or worse at redline). I am on the dyno Friday and will do a few different runs after establishing my baselines. I expect as you say to see it make a little bit more power later in the RPMs but then fall off just as bad. One run config I plan on doing is to keep the ETVs set to the stock values but raise the RPM limits to 14,000 as opposed to the stock 13,000 value in the interest of seeing to what extent the power drops off and how fast.
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