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post #21 of 70 Old 02-20-2016, 02:07 PM
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Not wishing to argue but yes I do change down without the clutch sometimes so yes I do know what it sounds like, and a big fat handfull between each downshift (like in the video at 1:10) requires that you disengage the clutch.

These things I know to be true from my own personal experience of riding a motorcycle.
No, it does not require that you disengage the clutch after a 'big fat handful'. All he's doing is unloading the transmission in spirited fashion so the gears can slip in and out easier. I tend do it that way too when there's an audience, I'm riding angry or I'm trying to get someone on a cellphone to hang up and drive.

Comparing your 'sometimes' vs my 100% of the time for 20 years - how sure are you that you're doing it right?

I think maybe the difference in perception here is that your style is more 'row, row, row your boat' and he's using the whammy bar and shredding. You know what I mean? It doesn't always sound like that of course - but occasionally when the spirit moves you....

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Hahahah yup years ago.....I want some auto blip down shift for sure! I could get up and change the channel on my TV but I'd rather use the remote
If I scoop gen 5 bet your ass I'll have auto blip. I rode 15 s1000rr with it and it's awesome.. Bang bang bang many are putting it on r1 too
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Hahahah yup years ago.....I want some auto blip down shift for sure! I could get up and change the channel on my TV but I'd rather use the remote
I thought of a better analogy; "sure, I could learn to play guitar, but I'd rather just play Guitar Hero."

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No, it does not require that you disengage the clutch after a 'big fat handful'. All he's doing is unloading the transmission in spirited fashion so the gears can slip in and out easier. I tend do it that way too when there's an audience, I'm riding angry or I'm trying to get someone on a cellphone to hang up and drive.

Comparing your 'sometimes' vs my 100% of the time for 20 years - how sure are you that you're doing it right?

I think maybe the difference in perception here is that your style is more 'row, row, row your boat' and he's using the whammy bar and shredding. You know what I mean? It doesn't always sound like that of course - but occasionally when the spirit moves you....



Have you ever even ridden a motorcycle or have any idea how they work ?
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Have you ever even ridden a motorcycle or have any idea how they work ?
Interesting. I was going to ask you the same thing.

Lets have a disintereted third party chime in and determine who is correct. I'll accept any judgement from a qualified arbiter.

Bah, you know what, scratch that. Lets just make a wager. $1000 cash says I slap a GoPro to my R and replicate that style and sound clutchless downshifting. Or, better yet, 650ib, Knolly (or anyone with a cam wants to hang) can be the chase bike to verify I never touch the lever. They can post the video on their own YT afterward just so I can't be accused of anything.

If we're gonna do this I expect you'll follow the standard rule of letting someone else hold the money? If Knolly or IB will do it, I trust them. We can wait until the day before to deposit the cash with whoever is going to hold it. (I'll give whoever acts as banker $200 or 10% of the total when I collect).

You in or out?

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I would never attempt a manually-throttle-blipped clutchless downshift on the entrance to a corner on a track. I use the clutch on downshifts - always - because the shift is much more reliable and predictable and it avoids any possibility of lurching forward, even momentarily, while in the midst of braking for a corner, and it avoids any possibility of upsetting the suspension. This would be doubly true when riding an unfamiliar and very powerful bike ...

For those reasons, I am pretty sure that test rider was downshifting using the clutch there. I sure would. (20+ years roadracing experience, my name is not Valentino Rossi but I do okay for myself on my vintage race bike)
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I would never attempt a manually-throttle-blipped clutchless downshift on the entrance to a corner on a track. I use the clutch on downshifts - always - because the shift is much more reliable and predictable and it avoids any possibility of lurching forward, even momentarily, while in the midst of braking for a corner, and it avoids any possibility of upsetting the suspension. This would be doubly true when riding an unfamiliar and very powerful bike ...

For those reasons, I am pretty sure that test rider was downshifting using the clutch there. I sure would. (20+ years roadracing experience, my name is not Valentino Rossi but I do okay for myself on my vintage race bike)
Agree to disagree, I would and do, all the time, at any speed. Maybe not so much on vintage bikes but the new slipper clutches are impossible to upset unless they break. (D*mn things work so well you can't even push start a 10R all the way back to '04 - it just won't lock up.) The dog ring transmission in the H2/R is specifically made for that type of use. I probably wouldn't push my luck full lean, but that guy in the video was still in the straight cutting speed - and if you're still downshifting in a turn, lets be honest, you already screwed up.

I assume people know this stuff but if you don't - don't take my word for it;

"A slipper clutch (also known as a slider clutch or back-torque limiter) is a specialized clutch developed for performance oriented motorcycles to mitigate the effects of engine braking when riders decelerate as they enter corners."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not picking on you - everyone has their own comfort level, skill level, weapon of choice and style. I'm just saying that guy was doing something I do every time I ride. I know that sound like I do my own voice. Kawasaki was extremely picky about who they let ride the R. I assure you that guy wasn't doing novice overrev/lever downshift moves like that at Sepang on a 320hp race bike with a dog ring transmission and a slipper clutch. There's just no reason to. It'd be adding a whole extra step to the process, upset to the drive train and adding a bunch of unnecessary friction generated heat to the clutch on a system specifically designed for clutchless up/downshifts.
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Does the H2R by default have clutchless downshifting (auto-throttle-blip) enabled?
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No idea who the rider is, it's the first video I found that shows typical clutch-lever usage on track. Clutchless upshifts, clutched downshifts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW6hQlNW-44
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Thank you GoFaster...

That is a lovely video of a clutch being used correctly.
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